Today R4 now - puberty blockers

Perhaps some whistle-blowing would be in order fizzy?

I really wish that I could go into more detail. But I can't because it's confidential. It was so obvious that the yp I worked with had serious mental health problems and instead of receiving help they were enabled to carry on harming themselves more.

Most of the teams around these yp did not believe enabling their wishes was the best thing for them, but it was left to the gender identity clinic to deal with. Their way of dealing with it was to repeatedly postpone treatment and appointments and all that seemed to do was further cement the yps belief that everyone was discriminating against them and once they had the OP everything would magically be ok.

None of the yp knew each other but I was struck by how similar they all were.

No wonder Ruth Hunt is bailing out.

Big shit -> fan

So will Stonewall be taking responsibility for irrecovably destroying yp lives?

Compensating the suffering of developing bodies and minds?

Those poor poor children, and their DPs.

Good grief here too fizzypoo

Words fail ...

Just read this by Michael Biggs and Transgender Trend. www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers-update/

To see the lack of scientific rigour and confirmation bias laid out so clearly is quite shocking, downplaying the long term interests of children seemingly to keep adult lobby groups and naive parents happy.

This is a significant scandal and has a long time to run as these children grow up and face the physiological and psychological implications of these treatments.

Thanks to those speaking out and Transgender Trend. I just set up a monthly donation.

Yup, political infiltration, regulatory capture and redefinition or disruption of language have been the strategy and they've worked horrifyingly well.

I have got to say that if I had not read the thread on regulatory capture here I would not have fully understood that interview. So thanks MNers!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49036145

Interesting. I heard someone on the train talking about this - they implied that the study had been deliberately manipulated.

Yes, 'political infiltration' is a really useful phrase. Stephen Whittle, Edward Lord, Ruth Hunt, the Goldsmiths gang et al have had a strategy to infiltrate and change policy at the highest of levels and to get changes carried out quietly and invisibly from within, without open public consultation — because they know that feminists see through it and the general public are really not keen on the idea of their daughters having to share loos with boys or men with beards and frocks.

We now need to find out who has been pushing this within the BBC, within the English and Scottish and to some extent Welsh Parliaments and the Guardian, within charities such as the NSPCC and Amnesty and in the education world. There will be influencers, change-makers, quietly dedicated to mainstreaming transgender and destroying women's rights. They need to be identified and stopped. The NSPCC may have just made a start, as have the Guides.

We also need to get political ourselves and set up feminist groups and a proper Women's Party based on feminism so that this can't happen again.

The infiltration started years ago, in every single LGB organisation, magazine, parliament, police, education, Womens groups. Once they had a foot in the door we were all screwed.

Bit like all those films were the friendly aliens come in peace, heal the sick, make poverty disappear etc, then the humans realise they are now all infertile, fucked and were lulled into a false sense of security because all the woke dude bros told them they were bigots for thinking the aliens might just have an agenda that isn't so friendly after all.

I have had direct experience of the unquestioning approach as my son is a young adult who can’t make sense of his life. The affirmation approach doesn’t help as it leaves them on their own with their thoughts rather than giving them the skills to appraise their lives.

Good grief Fizzypoo

The political infilitration made me sit up, he understands exactly what is going on. India willoughby tweeting away saying everything is fine.

I have worked with a few yp transitioning in a different job role to the one I have now. It's only a small amount of experience but each of them had autism and adverse childhood experiences, and each of them wanted to escape their previous life from it. I felt very clearly that they were not the sex they wanted to be and that they couldn't accept their actual self. No amount of self esteem building and therapeutic work could migate the online bullshit they read and believed. What really upset me is that even after being sectioned, having high doses of anti depressants ect not one person spoke any common sense to them. They mostly believed that they had ovaries and womens parts inside of them and were intersex. They were not, there was no medical evidence of this but other professionals let them continue believing this. It blew my mind and I could not continue in that role, I felt I was part of the problem by enabling their lie to themselves.

By redresding the balance maybe tbe BBC are hoping that we'll forget the role they played with thier I am Leo programme. I am so pleased that things are slowly changing to protect children in the future but so sad for those kids (and parents) who have been sucked into the trans child lie.

I wonder if that man (was he a news editor?) who said he wouldn’t allow T*s on is on holiday or has been suspended. Completely wrong for a publicly funded body to have lobbyists employed by them influencing news reporting.

Agree, also I wonder if his Tweet and the subsequent complaints it generated, have made a grown up look at what's actually happening on the Today programme, and it has been decided they need to redress the balance. The Tavi report in the Sunday Times this weekend, has given them a very timey opportunity to start this redress.

Thank you Marcus Evans.

Marcus Evans exact words ; GIDS had been “penetrated / infiltrated by political forces”

Wow indeed! Sounds like the truth will finally be out there

Did they have a TRA on? If not, it's the first time I know of. Would LOVE to think the complaints are starting to have an effect.

Marcus Evans exact words ; GIDS had been '' penetrated / infiltrated by political forces ''
wow , at last we are getting to the real problem.

These are very serious concerns that have been raised, who will take them on?

Who will launch an investigation?

'There is a political force that believes there is only one solution - transition'. Also says that staff have been anonymously going to media to discuss service. Agreed with Justin Webb cthat service needs investigating. Tried to post a few minutes ago when memory of exact words was better but it got lost. Anyway, mincing no words!

Missed it but sounds like they went into more of the issues. Maybe the tide really is turning.