Newsnight tonight: Britain's Experimented with Puberty blockers

Has this been linked yet?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49036145

is it going to be bumped by other pieces?

That'll be funny if it is.

wasn’t Mermaids accused of “coaching” children and families on what to say inorder to get puberty blockers? I’m sure it was in a Sunday Times article a few months ago.

I was surprised to hear Dr Kirsty Entwistle day that only 10% of her patients were Mermaids patients, and that was in Leeds where'd if hVe thought Mermaids operated heavily.

Relevant thread by endocrinologist on blockers (he's done a longer interview with Ben Boyce)

mobile.twitter.com/will_malone/status/1148000551608750080

Lizzie that rings a bell - they certainly have residential weekends were various talkers present including people from
The Tavistock. Mermaids also have a very private / secret online forum for parents and one for young people.

I believe you have to provide passport information and bills etc to be allowed access.

Is it going to be bumped by other pieces?

So it benefits everyone... except victims.

What I don’t understand is how the Tories seem as woke as the ultra lefty Greens and then Lib Dem’s and Labour.

Because once you get high enough up the chain, they are all the same, in this case these law changes help predators, you have just as many on the left as the right.

It’s just so mad isn’t it? Can you imagine if someone decided that they were going to use a completely different material for hip replacements? And everyone just went with it, regardless of any studies? And then 10/20 years later go “oh we had no idea using cement wouldn’t actually work”.

What I don’t understand is how the Tories seem as woke as the ultra lefty Greens and then Lib Dem’s and Labour. One thing you used to be able to rely on from the Conservatives was to fit the Daily Mail / Telegraph / Sun reader viewpoint.

I know nobody likes being called the nasty party but they seem genuinely terrified. But then look at Trump getting criticised for some sensible reverses to bad trans policies. Having said that, Trump deserves criticism for many other things so he is not a good ally. The reverse of one really as when Trumps against something, it must mean everyone bar his supporters should be for it

I agree Neuro and wasn’t Mermaids accused of “coaching” children and families on what to say inorder to get puberty blockers? I’m sure it was in a Sunday Times article a few months ago.

I think it's worth remembering the power of the online community in coaching young people with phrases to get what they want. After the online community have boasted about how happy they are being trans and taking hormones.

That's a massive un seen force behind some of this. It got out of control and there was no scrutiny to stop it.

Because a lot of very dodgy characters realised it would work in their favour.

I guess but... well it's kind of a weird thing, isn't it? I know a woman really involved on a professional level in pushing that stuff. She totally bought into that way of thinking, and she has nothing personal to gain.

How do people with medical degrees and clinical experience, or the people running hospitals, get to that place? Because they aren't the ones benefiting, most of them are normal people.

I said in another thread that GIDS is all about generating more work for GIDS. Diagnosing more kids as trans -> more money for the service -> more power and influence for the leaders.

I think a fair wack is that too purported. It's just the new 'normal'.

I have found the drug related stuff and the protocols with kids really hard to undertand how it came to be so ubiquitous so fast

Because a lot of very dodgy characters realised it would work in their favour.

crsacre, didn't know that.

So, I agree, this has all been carefully planned.

Regulatory, societal, educational and professional capture from head to toe.

I have found the drug related stuff and the protocols with kids really hard to undertand how it came to be so ubiquitous so fast.

Being in Canada I followed the closure of the Toronto clinic quite closely, and it really struck me how this particular set of protocols was just adopted as the standard, with no real evidence, and somehow disagreement or just following a different but equally well established model became "not operating within the accepted standard of practice."

Just getting ready to watch. Am prepared to be disappointed/underwhelmed. The conversations we're having are so far ahead of sclerotic and captured organisations, I end up expecting too much. Hopefully, the BBC will finally surprise me.

Oh, I didn't know that crsacre. I find her views terrifying.

Oh has Matlis been doing some journalisting?

Would explain her doing digging earlier this week.

I thought it interesting to see Nick Cohen of the guardian/observer who I always thought a v good journalist who hated identity politics having a go at Janice over trans stuff and talking about a tweet by Titania McGraf. It looked like he thought that the Jonathan Yaniv story was a spoof made up by another journalist he didn't like.

Ricky Gervais has certainly been doing some publicising this week too.

There's a certain feeling of a bubble about to burst going on here.

I saw this on the BBC app and was also surprised at how 'impartial' the article was, given that the other week the BBC was telling us that 'trans people are having their existence debated'.

The thing is, you just can't argue it can you? Experimenting on kids with these drugs? You can't trot out the old 'this is just like homophobia' line for this shite.

Wrong side of history....

Johanna Olson-Kennedy is married to a transman, Aydin Olson-Kennedy:
gayweddingsmag.com/marry-for-love-aydin-and-jo-olson-kennedy-the-love-story-of-one-transgender-couple/

Neurotrash It really is baffling. I've come to the conclusion that it's linked to the general re-emergence of sexist stereotypes and acceptance of cosmetic surgery. Medical professionals aren't immune to prejudice or social pressure.
I also wonder about the motives of some of the people working in this field. People like Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy. Is she really as deranged as she sounds, or just greedy for more 'customers'?

A lack of scrutiny, research and accountability seems to be prevalent in all areas involving this ideology, from children, to women's services and political representation, to law change.

I shall be watching Newsnight with great interest.