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Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (cont. thread 2)

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GirlDownUnder · 22/07/2019 01:34

Thread 1 here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3632380-Fascinating-tweets-about-JY-s-waxing-case-Read-here-Thread-title-edited-by-MNHQ

This is a continuation of all that is JY and their waxing cases bought against minority women in Canada.

We are a fair way in, and still are no closer to knowing what the final judgment will be, but we have lots of info. and are finally seeing this case, and all the attending issues with self ID, in the public eye and main stream press.

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GirlDownUnder · 09/08/2019 13:45

Michelleoftheresistance as always, an amazing post. You always clearly articulate what I bloody splutter over.

This
We told you so.
We told you a lot.
We showed you facts, statistics, evidence, personal accounts from the front line.

I know we’ll never get the ‘recognition’ but bloody hell. It makes me so mad, I loose my words.

Thank you.

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Michelleoftheresistance · 09/08/2019 12:45

Oh and d)

We told you so.

We told you a lot.

We showed you facts, statistics, evidence, personal accounts from the front line.

We (many of us working on the coal face in various ways with this) pointed out the obvious risk assessment/EQIA issues and the bleeding obvious foreseeable issues that required proactive treatment to avoid people with other protected characteristics and the general public in general being harmed.

Across the world, we saw all this coming and we told you.

Michelleoftheresistance · 09/08/2019 12:41

There's no doubt about 'not of sound mind', however long term evidence over years demonstrates that this isn't a breakdown happening to someone otherwise living typical behavioural norms, it's a permanent state of being. And absolutely yes to the commentators saying that the CoHR and the Canada laws have enabled this behaviour and downright nurtured it. It is going to have to be faced that

a) The whole current transgender ideology is an open door to being used by any male predating, and there is no way to separate someone 'genuine' who can be trusted to behave appropriately from someone seeing a golden ticket to predate and abuse. Or at minimum to gain a whole lot of attention and be allowed to behave in ways others are prevented from.

b) Leaving aside the statistics of high frequency comorbidity, and the rate of identification in prison populations despite this being relevant: this kind of personality disordered behaviour, thinking, fetishism and sexual underpinning, treatment of women, exploiting and weaponizing the police/courts/legal system is increasingly common and escalating in the western world, and the legal system and the local and national government system have to come up with a way to identify these people and use a different pathway to deal with them. Not meekly follow systems when those systems are being abused and are actively encouraging and facilitating vexatious abusers with a huge cost to public time, money and resources. Rights come with responsibilities.

c) Boundaries have to stay boundaries equally for all, with no special exemptions regardless of how people identify. Or how scary and threatening and time consuming their behaviour tends to get when they feel thwarted.

GirlDownUnder · 09/08/2019 12:04

Posting link re death threat for collation of info only

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3660876-Yaniv-has-a-complete-meltdown-with-death-threats

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TimeLady · 09/08/2019 10:11

Cynically, I'm wondering if he's going for a 'not of sound mind'/having a breakdown as a (temporary?) defence.

littlbrowndog · 09/08/2019 09:38

Blaire was doxxed 9 hours after her interview with him she said

MsMcWibble · 09/08/2019 09:37

What will it take for this person to be dealt with? KF seems to have done sterling work in tracing the messages.

littlbrowndog · 09/08/2019 09:35

Jeez. I saw that visit.

Then Blaire white was doxxed with her address and number and said she was afraid and taking a break from internet

DanaPhoenix · 09/08/2019 08:46

Thanks for the screenshot lovely. Shit I can't believe it was her. God have so much to say.... about to go out DS1 giving us a lift so gotta scoot. Will comment further later. Being pestered 😬

GirlDownUnder · 09/08/2019 08:36

JY threatening KFs user WGkitty screen shot. The info from Null (KFs owner) is verification that these threats come from JY.

Dana not all ISPs in Oz block KFs. I’m just lucky I was with an ISP that doesn’t think we live in China when the block came in.

Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (cont. thread 2)
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GirlDownUnder · 09/08/2019 08:27

I hope to God that the user isn't JY's neighbour IIRC they were posting on the farms about the police raid

Your prayers were not answered - it was exactly this person that JY threatened. I’ll post a screen shot separately in case it gets deleted (cos odd mod rules here)

Timelady I really hope you’re right and Canada is waking up because JY is spiralling and lots of commentators are blaming the Human Rights tribunal and self ID for shoring up people like JY

GroggyLegs well, judging by today’s antics, on the back of just being arrested, having 4 weapons confiscated, and an already open file with the RMCP, I’m not even sure JY will be home for Christmas!

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DanaPhoenix · 09/08/2019 08:12

Holy Shitballs Fatman!!!

Sorry saw a funny JY meme saying to the fat cave and I couldn't resist 😂.

I really really need to override my isp blockage of the farms.
I hope to God that the user isn't JY's neighbour IIRC they were posting on the farms about the police raid (at least according to twitter). I hope she is safe, because JY's mum is equally unhinged.

Hey Girldownunder maybe we both need to change our usernames to Cassandra . Seriously though the continual escalation is frightening, thankfully they're in Canada and not US (because firearms). Still can't get my head around it, but hey, it's probably completely normal behaviour in the Bates Family bizarro world.

GirlDownUnder · 09/08/2019 07:42

OMG update

JY joined KFs and made a death threat to a user! The site owner has passed the details on to the RMCP.

JY appears drunk or out of control, posted a death threat, porn, and other disturbing stuff. They have verified it’s JY.

I can’t link but if you search KF for JYs name, JY has there own sub forum and there is a thread called ‘Yaniv visits the farms. 8/9/19’

Whew Dana what were we just saying?

Whoops.

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TimeLady · 09/08/2019 06:30

Great National Post article here:

nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-b-c-human-rights-tribunal-is-the-real-villain-of-the-jessica-yaniv-farce

the idea of compromising with someone who wants to force a woman to touch her male genitals — to touch any genitals at all, one might argue! — is repugnant. The idea of a state body facilitating such an agreement beggars belief.

Canada seems to waking up

DanaPhoenix · 09/08/2019 02:56

Yes. Thank you girldownunder you've explained it so well...
I agree especially that we have neither the mindset nor the ego to fathom it.

Must take a speshul kinda speshul 🤷🏼‍♀️

GirlDownUnder · 08/08/2019 23:07

DpWm I can still see a couple of other JY threads re being raided and the Blaire debate.

I've linked to two articles above re JYs arrest and home search and the post is still there. If other threads have been deleted, it's probably the content rather than censorship?

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DpWm · 08/08/2019 18:18

Have the threads mentioning JY's cell visit and home-search been deleted?

GroggyLegs · 08/08/2019 14:36

If JY hadn't been so consistently creepy & batshit over so many years, I would by now be wondering if JY was a plant to show up the absolute absurdity of self ID.

As it is, he will be remembered & talked about. That's what he craves = He wins.

Can you imagine Christmas round his house? Confused

GirlDownUnder · 08/08/2019 14:24

...something is off...

I know what you mean. Anyone else would have bunkered down, probably back in November or at least stopped pushing.

JYs output is just so consistent, and upward.

There is no stop or slow or trough. I'd say most committed activists (any activism or belief) would have periods of just usual chatter or lull, interspersed a notable event but JY seems to go from one big oooo moment to the next. It's like watching a TV series and every episode ends on a cliff hanger, no one eats, sleeps, or goes to the loo. There is no 'mundane'

It's almost unreal. But maybe I just don't have the mind capable of understanding the drive to be notorious. Maybe I just don't have that ego.

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Jux · 08/08/2019 14:13

I think that over decades, men have seen their power-base shrunk and the patriarchal nature of society weakening; this is just a power grab, but because of the weakness (and stupidity) of recent governments and Ministers, the preponderance of handmaidens therein, and the natural uninterestedness of men in women's thoughts and feelings - their patriarchal belief that they know better - this particular power grab is being more successful. JY is upsetting that apple cart, and I wish him all the success in the world that endeavour.

Are your spidey senses intimating some Illuminati behind it all, or something else? What sort of direction are they pulling you in?

DanaPhoenix · 08/08/2019 13:40

It's all supply

Yes it is but there's something about this whole thing that has my spidey senses tingling. I can't even express why, but something is off. Obviously the whole godawful situation is off. I'm not articulating this well. I keep coming back to why? What is the end game?

Jux · 08/08/2019 12:30

This is an argument from the link posted ^ way upthread, which I think is worthy of serious consideration. Substitute 'SRS' for 'amputation' etc

"Another argument against elective amputations is a socioeconomic one: because of the high costs for medical treatment, rehabilitation, early retirement, and lost working income which would stress the society, elective amputations should not be allowed. Public financing for elective amputations is ethical permissible only if the amputations are strictly necessary to cure a severe disease, but not when they are performed because of aesthetic, erotic, or financial interests. But since amputations cannot be justified as a medical therapy for BIID, they have to be excluded from public financing with regard to the principle of justice."

It then goes on

"Amputations require lifelong follow-up care ..... the annual median cost for goods and services for the survivor of a below the knee amputation is approximately $105,000; possibly lost income not yet regarded. A welfare state has to finance these costs, even for a devotee who signs a waiver declaration before the elective amputation."

Actually I'll post the link again so it's easy www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15265160802588194

Michelleoftheresistance · 07/08/2019 16:37

To some there's no difference at all between positive and negative attention. It's all supply.

GirlDownUnder · 07/08/2019 16:35

Sadly if there was a twitter ban it’s over.

In other news JY is the Canadian version of Jazz Jennings apparently. Self styled. Ta daa....

mobile.twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1159122647822684160

Jessica Yaniv @trustednerd
7m
I’m simply the Canadian version of @JazzJennings__
. An advocate for change. A powerful, beautiful transgender woman with a huge heart for society with a mission to remove transphobia and #lgbtq discrimination globally. Would LOVE to meet Jazz for a collaboration on LGBTQ goals.

Que the ratios. Is JY just trolling for attention at this point?

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GirlDownUnder · 07/08/2019 15:16

Nope, JY was released from a holding cell.... but

“The RCMP claims there is an “an open investigation, an active and ongoing investigation” into the latest incident regarding Yaniv.”

They were at JYs appartment for 14 hours. That’s not just a stun gun (or 2 in this case) and some pepper spray.

JY also helpfully pointed out that JY had received unsolicited ‘child porn’ that very day, to their Facebook account... I’m not going to speculate however Halo

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