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Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (cont. thread 2)

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GirlDownUnder · 22/07/2019 01:34

Thread 1 here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3632380-Fascinating-tweets-about-JY-s-waxing-case-Read-here-Thread-title-edited-by-MNHQ

This is a continuation of all that is JY and their waxing cases bought against minority women in Canada.

We are a fair way in, and still are no closer to knowing what the final judgment will be, but we have lots of info. and are finally seeing this case, and all the attending issues with self ID, in the public eye and main stream press.

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DanaPhoenix · 22/07/2019 10:14

Ok video 7. I can tell by someone commenting on it underneath. Will watch again for time stamp

DanaPhoenix · 22/07/2019 10:10

Bugger it. I'm breaking my own devices at the table rule tonight. Will see if I can find.

emerencesometimeshopeful · 22/07/2019 10:08

I "think" JY doesn't understand that words have meaning. I don't know that JY has bothered to find out what intersex means, rather JY is using that term because TRAs have continued to say 'but intersex...' whenever challenged and it's always worked in the past.

A post near the end of the last thread mentioned speculation that JY's menstruation fetish might be related to jewish laws and customs. I can tell you that what we know of JYs background suggests it extremely unlikely that JY is aware of niddah and 'purity' laws (sometimes language is really clumsy). It's unlikely that learning about this formed any part of a Jewish education (it definitely isn't mainstream) and it's really not something most Jews know much about.

DanaPhoenix · 22/07/2019 10:04

Sorry in the middle of dinner prep. The link to the channel was in the video of JY tribunal thread. There's about 6 videos on the channel. Sorry I can't remember which one. I'm thinking of the later ones they are numbered, perhaps 5 onwards. I will check later. God I hope it's still there, I was just so gobsmacked I didn't think to place mark.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 22/07/2019 10:03

See, I think the Member is palying good long game. Letting Yaniv do all the heavy lifting whu=ilst seming to be even handed, even sympathetic. The longer Yaniv blusters on and pratts around the mor ethere is to be seen, to be shocked at, nervously laughed at... as and when more newspapers work out how the hell they are going to cover such ludicrousness the more Peaking will occur.

Basically there is no way any man or woman on the street is going to think - Hell yes! Women who do waxing should be forced to wax men, alone, in theier homes.

The odd man who thinks it is fine just needs to be asked - including your mum, sister, wife, daughter? to be peaked.

OvaHere · 22/07/2019 09:59

Thanks for the new thread.

Does anyone know when these proceedings are due to conclude?Considering 90% of it is JY spouting bollocks (literally) they seem to be going on forever.

LangCleg · 22/07/2019 09:58

Oger's comment: a test of this difficult situation.

WTAF? What the actual fucking fuck?

There is no situation in which any woman should be required to touch the genitalia of any XY for any reason she sees fit. There's no nuance, no complexity, no difficulty.

We see you, Oger, we see you.

GirlDownUnder · 22/07/2019 09:55

JY stated that MO is intersex under oath. Shock

Do you have a link and the time stamp?

And now I'm also wondering if JY actually doesn't understand the term intersex and thinks it's synonymous with GI, or they've belatedly realised that they've perjured themselves under oath and this will be their defence Hmm

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DanaPhoenix · 22/07/2019 09:43

I watched the Waxmyballs YouTube channel where there are videos from the hearing. JY stated that MO is intersex under oath. Now not my business if MO is or isn't, but the blatant hypocrisy of JY effectively outing (for want of a better term) MO is quite appalling. Especially when JY refuses to answer questions regarding their own genitalia.

I'd imagine MO would not be very happy that this has occurred. I suspect JY could be facing their own legal action if MO was to find out 🤔😬

Juells · 22/07/2019 09:28

choked on my coffee, I did.

Juells · 22/07/2019 09:28

And what's better is they are trying so hard to distance themselves from JY, and JY just keeps chasing them round twitter.

Apologies, I laughed out loud when I read that...

GirlDownUnder · 22/07/2019 09:13

... so whilst it is JYs action against the woman, JY is being forced to justify themself.

I just wish it read / sounded like JY was having to justify themselves.

I took out pronouns in the quote cos I’m not sure if MN are still deleting (although they did delete me recently) - does anyone know?

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TurboTeddy · 22/07/2019 09:04

boatyardblues
You've explained my issue with self ID perfectly. When we rely on "evidence" which cannot be objectively verified then we make bad law, very bad law. I can't claim my pension just because I described myself as feeling like I was 90 when I got out of bed this morning, I'm going to have to wait until the age at which I become eligible, no one thinks this is controversial.

Joisanofthedales · 22/07/2019 09:04

Was feeling a bit low and that article definitely raised my spirits a wee bit.

sackrifice · 22/07/2019 09:02

I quite enjoyed it when the pro-TRA member accidentally said 'He, erm She' when referring to JY.

The audio and video really do need to be listened to.

GirlDownUnder · 22/07/2019 09:01

littl that article is brilliant!

Good to know how not to be a transphobe...

So fellow social justice comrades, please do not be tempted to use nuance. Stay away from judging people as individuals and applying logic and reason based on each circumstance. That’s for Nazis and fascists and bigots and transphobes.

And excellent summing up of the TRA agenda...

So-called ‘biological’ women have had it far too good for far too long. The only way we will achieve true equality is if trans women are given more rights than cis women. We need to remove the privilege from cis women, so that men who identify as women can be given the upper hand. That’s the beauty of intersectional feminism. That’s why this case is so important.

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littlbrowndog · 22/07/2019 08:58

That article sums up everything about this shit show

CuriousaboutSamphire · 22/07/2019 08:55

Godfrey Elfwick I think I luffs you Grin

BlackeyedGruesome · 22/07/2019 08:54

Quite littlebrowndog

TheSteveMilliband · 22/07/2019 08:44

@weirdwoman I think it's slightly more complicated. My understanding is that Yaniv sued the women, most of whom settled out of court. Any who had solicitors he backed down, suggesting vexatious litigation. The court therefore insisted these cases be heard (he had planned to drop them once solicitor involved) so whilst it is his action against the woman, he is being forced to justify himself.

littlbrowndog · 22/07/2019 08:36

spectator.us/every-woman-right-scrotum-waxed/

Well

boatyardblues · 22/07/2019 08:14

It doesn’t matter if JY is an outlier. Once you self-ID, the legal protections and measures apply regardless of sincerity (which cannot be objectively measured) or motivation (which can be inferred from actions, but not questioned). The JY case just shows this sloppy, subjective law making up for what it is: wide open to abuse. A more measured, careful claimant wouldn’t have semaphored the logical outcome of such sloppy lawmaking out into the wider world as effectively, but it would have eventually become apparent once it inevitably harmed women, vulnerable adults and children and the casualties started piling up.

GirlDownUnder · 22/07/2019 07:32

Oger is between a rock and a hard place and I couldn't be happier.

And what's better is they are trying so hard to distance themselves from JY, and JY just keeps chasing them round twitter.

Cookie I'd not even want to try and predict the outcome. The whole tribunal seems a farce, the member has either no control or is playing a master long game, JY seems to have their own rules, but I guess that's the trans rules huh.

My concern is that this is all so far fetched, JY is being mocked most everywhere, that no matter the outcome, all we'll get in response to 'see self ID is terrible' is the no true trans, and JY will be painted as an outlier.

The next case isn't til the 27th, and I think it can be months before the tribunal makes a judgement.

Meanwhile JY is all over twitter trying to gain good person cookies and tell us all that there's nothing to see here, look over there at Oger.

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GirlDownUnder · 22/07/2019 07:20

Elsie is updating case 3 from the 17th July now

She started transcription on the 20th July here

mobile.twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1152403630974046208

Updating today / finishing from here

mobile.twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1153070487347400704

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boatyardblues · 22/07/2019 07:11

Indeed. Oger shows more of their hand than they realise with that post. Grim.

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