Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (cont. thread 2)

This protest is being held at the tribunal today, organised by Jenn Ricky Smith, and is due to start in 3 hours.

transanityca.wordpress.com/2019/07/25/press-release-regarding-jenn-smith-attending-the-jessica-yaniv-hearing-at-the-bchrt-on-friday-july-26/amp/?twitterimpression=true

Facebook event info

m.facebook.com/events/652767345229708/

I'm not sure how it'll be reported as Jenn Smith is not on twitter (suspended account) and I'll be asleep, but might be worth keeping an eye on.

This hearing is the consolidation of JY vs. 3 women/salons. No respondents are expected to be there.

Elsie's complete notes to date

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1152403630974046208.html

That's a really well balanced, well argued piece littl

That Yaniv is not “representative” of trans people is surely true. Since I became interested in the malign consequences of gender self-ID laws, I’ve gotten to know quite a few trans people, and some have become good friends. But again, Yaniv’s atypicality is irrelevant.

These cases concern not only a male who seeks to coerce women into handling male genitals, but laws that can be leveraged to facilitate that coercion.
It is quite correct that there are horrible people in every subgroup, male and female, straight and gay, cis and trans. But Yaniv’s behaviour doesn’t stand in isolation from the politics of gender: Yaniv’s behaviour has been enabled by trans-rights activists in two separate ways.

Here is the FB event notification for the protest organised by Jenn Ricky Smith just for added info

m.facebook.com/events/652767345229708/

Cheers holdmybutterbeer I was all confused - let's see if anything falls out as it seems JY is doing a road runner following MO all over twitter, and I'm not sure if MO is fast enough to keep out front

Interesting. It's hard for me to work out the order of events as I'm not sure what time zones are being stamped, but..

Graeme Wood submitted this piece on line on JULY 25, 2019 11:40 AM, and it included the following quotes:

Morgane Oger calls Yaniv an ‘alarming’ person

Morgane Oger, vice-president of the BC NDP and the most prominent transgender advocate in B.C. at the moment, has taken to her blog to address concerns about online allegations of inappropriate behaviour by Yaniv.

Regarding the genital waxing cases, Oger blogged: “I told Jessica that I felt she would have a very difficult time with these cases and that although I support the right of all trans persons to access services free of discrimination,her past history deeply undermined her intentions and exposed her and the transgender community to contempt,” wrote Oger, who is also a previous Federal NDP election nomination candidate for Vancouver Centre.

Oger has stated on Twitter that Yaniv is an “alarming” person and that her tribunal case is misdirected.

“In the specific case under consideration, when I learned that the respondents were persons working at home alone, I stopped supporting Yaniv. As I have told her, these were not the right respondents nor was she the right complainant for a test of this difficult situation,” tweeted Oger.

From Ogres twitter

Morgane Oger @MorganeOgerBC
@WestcoastWood
Pls check your DMs...
1:29 PM · Jul 26, 2019·Twitter Web App

@WestcoastWood is Graeme Wood

So did the DM come first and have the quote for the article or is it in response to the article?

holdmybutterbeer which way round do you make it?

Jessica Yaniv is the hill that Jesse Brown wants to die on - The Post Millennial

www.thepostmillennial.com/jessica-yaniv-is-the-hill-that-jesse-brown-wants-to-die-on/

Today, in a bizarre episode of the Canadaland podcast, Jesse Brown and guest co-host Zane Schwartz went out of their way to pretend the Jessica Yaniv story that has trended worldwide is just an illusion or in some way manufactured, in part by The Post Millennial, as illegitimate outrage.

Brown actually says: “There’s this trans person, this imaginary hypothetical, trans person whom transphobic reactionaries have been imagining for years. This is kind of a trans bogeyman invoked in hypothetical situations … a pervert, a predator who gets off trespassing into women’s washrooms.”

Schwartz chimes in: “There has been no evidence to suggest it exists... It’s a convenient fiction.”

Brown agrees. “It’s something that isn’t real. Until very recently. Lo and behold, now this imaginary trans bogeyman seems to exist at least to extreme conservative media.”

From Elsie’s latest tweets, I found these 2 interesting

mobile.twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1154437275125604352

Discussion about closing arguments, should be written or oral. JY cites health issues, may be hospital, in interest of fairness to ask for written. JC agrees to written.
(Strategic error on JY's part? JC very experienced, written better for developing and documenting arguments?)

• it could also be argued that JY will benefit as verbally they can’t even lie straight in bed, and they’ll have time to hone, and fact check their argument. However the JY ego is such I think costly mistakes will be committed to paper (no getting round that one), and my guess is a war and peace epic will be produced in such a meandering fashion it’ll lose the point, and damn the author. Also there is no way JY will stick to the points below.

Member outlines that submission should be for all three consolidated cases and can make costs arguments.

• no new facts
• no new evidence
• can refer to the exhibits
• rely on expert testimony given
• ne exhibits only as they relate to costs.

• JY is brasic I think, so interesting to see if JY finds funds or more interestingly, if JY finds a pro bono lawyer.