Gender Neutral Bogs with Urinals!

Because the 'non-urinal' toilet will be full of men pissing in cubicles with the door open.

Well, it might be which is a valid criticism of the gender neutral idea.

But it is confusing things I think when you are talking about people being forced to walk past urinals.

I suspect that the people who made this decision somehow thought that people would read the one toilets as "men, transmen and NB" and the other as "women, transwomen, and NB". So they could essentially still have sex segregation most of the time while also sounding with it and woke
And it never occurred to them that plain old regular men would actually see "gender neutral no urinals"and choose to go in there. Which is stupid as it seems like even men who did not want to go into that toilet were surprised and unhappy when they found they were essentially in a ladies toilet. Somehow "urinals" and "no urinals" are not adequate codes for men and women.

I think gender neutral toilets are a fantastic idea. The UK is one of the prudest countries to date, creating a narrow mindset for the public to fear the natural human body. Going to the toilet should not be sexualised and this prude mentality does exactly that. You may see a penis because a man is using the urinal, and? It's a penis, get over it and stop staring. The sooner we stop fearing body parts the better and we can all use the restroom in peace.

And lesbians should get over their hang ups with lady dick as well, right?

Not being funny but there is no way I want to see the penises of any man I am not in a relationship with, and even then, it's only when I choose to see one.

It's not prudish, it's being completely and utterly normal.

Pretending that you have to be cool and accept penis is bit fucking rapey.

Welcome to Mumsnet mewk

Do clarify your thoughts about why you would force women to look at a man's penis? Is it all women? Girls? 12 year olds? 5 year olds? Funnily enough the law isn't very keen on this - West Midlands police call this 'indecent exposure' and I believe that the sanctions are more serious if you involve a child. Here:

west-midlands.police.uk/your-options/flashing-indecent-exposure-and-sex-acts-public

But why would she have to, if there is a non-urinal toilet that is label as such?

Because the 'non-urinal' toilet will be full of men pissing in cubicles with the door open.

I think gender neutral toilets are a fantastic idea. The UK is one of the prudest countries to date, creating a narrow mindset for the public to fear the natural human body. Going to the toilet should not be sexualised and this prude mentality does exactly that. You may see a penis because a man is using the urinal, and? It's a penis, get over it and stop staring. The sooner we stop fearing body parts the better and we can all use the restroom in peace.

There was a (predominantly male) gay bar I went to once (never again!) in Shoreditch where women had to go and ask for the key to the toilet at the bar, otherwise without locking it it was just full of men shagging. With no women's toilet, not sure where we'd go - home?

Loos have gone "gender neutral" at the ICA. I saw a group of very confused looking Japanese men backing out of the loos when they saw women were there so explained to them that mixed toilets are the "latest fashion." They laughed uproariously.

JellySlice

But why would she have to, if there is a non-urinal toilet that is label as such?

I think it's stupid to have gender neutral toilets but I don't see how anyone is being forced to go past urinals.

What's clear from at least one example here is that 'gender neutral' toilets means men can and will go in either variety, thereby reducing women's access to toilets EVEN FURTHER.

The bar I used to work in - back in the 90s - women used to go in the loos sometimes just for a bit of peace and quiet - or even to get away from men.

I can only imagine the sexual harassment/general drunken rowdiness that would have gone on if women were walking past men at urinals, or if men could go in the "cubicle only" (aka used to be women's) toilets. It would have been mayhem. It was bad enough at the bar.

I used to have to clean the men's toilets with urinals in one of the trendy townie bar jobs I had in my student days. Men were sometimes sick in them.

The women's toilets were fairly gross to clean at midnight on a saturday night - but the men's were off the scale grim.

Another reason I like women only toilets.

LOL Lass you are quoting my own post at me. I don't see a single post, mine included, that implies we fear seeing urinals. All imply a desire for privacy, dignity and safety. More than that I don't like the idea of my daughter (or other young girls) having to go past a line of men in the loos exposed is particularly about safety, as normalising girls seeing men with their penes exposed endangers girls.

And just to prove my point - look! Nobody spontaneously combusted or collapsed in a fit of the terrified vapours.

I wonder which toilets this Twitter Wanker would choose to film themselves wanking off in though? It's a quandary...

Just shows though - Mhairi Black may wear that T shirt with the generous offer "you can pee next to me" - but some blokes aren't going to want to pee with Mhairi Black walking past them at the urinals....

I agree with the letter. Men deserve single sex privacy too - and whoever wrote this letter is obviously a man with that rare thing these days: sensitivity to women probably not wanting to see his penis out at the urinal.

I think what Lass is saying is that women don't have to go into the urinal "gender neutral" toilets if they don't choose to. They can go in the ones with only cubicles. There might still be men of course.

It sounds like some of the men were surprised when they found women in there and I can understand why.

Oh such naivety fromLass. We aren't afraid of seeing urinals. We want our privacy, dignity and safety

Try reading the comments perhaps before you make snide comments. The selection below are all about being forced to walk past urinals- no one is being forced to do that.

IWILLnot use a toilet that has urinals in it at which men might be standing, penises in hand

More than that I don't like the idea of my daughter (or other young girls) having to go past a line of men in the loos exposed

However, why should she have to walk pass men with their dicks in their hands to get there, and why should men have to accept a woman walking past while they're getting their dicks out in the expectation of privacy?

don't know if there are single sex cubicles, I suspect not. I will have to visit and perch my arse on a urinal for a piss

And I stood outside what used to be the women's toilets at the Lyric, but is now labelled 'Gender Neutral with Cubicles' a couple of weeks ago, waiting for my friend, and watched a stream of men go straight in. At one point there were half-a-dozen men in there, no women, and the women who went in backed straight out again, looking confused and worried. None of them chose to go into the 'Gender Neutral with Cubicles and Urinals' instead, they all either waited until the men had left the women's toilets, or went away entirely.

A couple of times a man went unhesitatingly into the 'Gender Neutral with Cubicles', saw there were loads of women in it and realised that these were actually women's toilets. Backed out in confusion and was thoroughly relieved when I pointed to the men's toilets (ie the ones labelled Gender Neutral with Cubicles and Urinals).

Oh such naivety from Lass. We aren't afraid of seeing urinals. We want our privacy, dignity and safety.

I think you might all be getting the wrong end of the stick.

I assume that what they have done, as other right- on arty places have done , is stuck a notice on what used to be the gents saying "gender neutral- cubicles and urinals" . There will be a notice on what used to be the ladies saying "gender neutral- cubicles only"

I doubt very much they have installed urinals in what was the ladies or ripped out the ladies so there is no option of avoiding urinals.

I thought The Barbican had dropped this after it got so many complaints the first time they did it. I was there at the beginning of April- as far as I recall the ladies was a ladies. If it had been declared "gender neutral" I certainly didn't walk past urinals.

I think some people are getting the wrong end of the stick. If it’s me getting the wrong end of the stick I agree it’s preposterous. Do you think any man would be prepared to sit on the loo and take a dump while another random bloke pisses into the urinal either? I certainly wouldn’t and think most wouldn’t

I WILL not use a toilet that has urinals in it at which men might be standing, penises in hand.

So, that'll be public toilets denied to me and many other women and girls.

Jelly he is right, I will go into a cubicle if the line is near full so to speak. More than that I don't like the idea of my daughter (or other young girls) having to go past a line of men in the loos exposed. Nor do I want women to go past little boys and think that people should be able to expect to have places for their sex to go. From what I was told the original reason for the segregation of bathrooms was too many women got assaulted and worse raped when they were mixed.

Dh tells me that men's loos generally have mostly urinals, with one or two cubicles. So, in theory, a woman could go somewhere slightly more private than a urinal in an 'inclusive' loo-with-urinals. However, why should she have to walk pass men with their dicks in their hands to get there, and why should men have to accept a woman walking past while they're getting their dicks out in the expectation of privacy? Dh tells me men are so possessive of their privacy and respectful of each other's privacy at urinals, that they barely even make eye contact. It's not just women who want and deserve privacy and dignity.

I wonder what would happen if a cunty woman squatted on a urinal with her trousers at her ankles?

I have actually seen these before quite a lot in smaller cafe type places where they only have one loo and they’re not supposed to be for double use

I was under the impression these were for single occupancy but solve the often held complaint on here about men pissing on the seat