Video of JY tribunal.

It's totally correct! 😄

The thing is that, as with everything to do with Mother Nature, there is always a (very rare) exception. So rare its hardly relevant to discussing intersex (and certainly utterly irrelevant to the trans debate). I only ebver mention because you just know some smart arse on twitter will bring it up and use it as "evidence" that everyone else in the world who is irrefutably biologically male OR female is actually on a spectrum/ gender fluid / queer / non binary /sex is a spectrum / there are 57 varieties of sex etc etc and all that utter codswallop.

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When I've looked into intersex conditions, it seems to me that if there is a Y present, then that person is male. If there is no Y, then the person is female. Would you say this is correct. Or are there other variables?

Turner syndrome, for example, where the person has only one X, the person is obviously a female and we know this because it is the X that enabled her to survive. Had she been male she wouldn't have survived because the Y can't sustain life without another X, but a single X by itself can sustain life.

I find it insulting on their behalf that JY, who clearly has no understanding of the biological basis of these rare conditions, is attenpting to coopt their distressing personal realities into JYs utter bullshit.

I too cant understand why someone with knowledge of intersex has not been asked to testify

The name of the condition, and a few searching questions, would put the entire thing to bed.

It does not and cannot happen that one individual has a) a distinct penis, functional or not b) a pair of descended testicles hanging outside the body c) a vaginal cavity with an internal connection to d) a female reproductive system including ovaries and a womb from which menstruation occurs. It simply is not possible.

There are a couple of intersex conditions (out of many, where the person is clearly genetically male or female) where one individual has some cells/body tissues that are male (have a Y chromosome and/or SRY region) and some that are female (no Y chromosome/SRY region present). This is caused by genetic mosaicism at conception or very soon after and is where the old fashioned idea of hermaphrodism came from (because they may appear to have ambiguous genitals with eg a large clitoris that is mistaken for a penis or a shallow vulva, or undecended testicles or ovotestes (both male and female tissues so ambiguous between a tested and an ovary or ambiguity between the 2).

Such an individual would very obviously have a DSD (disorder/difference of sexual development) that would be very evident at birth (not at 6 or 13/14 or whatever BS JY came out with). They would also be highly, highly likely to be infertile and very unlikely to menstruate. I would imagine they would have more important concerns managing their rare and complex medical condition, possibly exploring reconstructive surgery and hormonal therapies, neither of which JY has shown any involvement in, and wouldnt be overly concerned about vanity activities such as waxing any pubic hair which may or may not be present. I find it insulting on their behalf that JY, who clearly has no understanding of the biological basis of these rare conditions, is attenpting to coopt their distressing personal realities into JYs utter bullshit.

If he does have this type of of intersex condition, which I highly doubt, why isnt he fighting for intersex rights? And surely he would have been bleating about his condition for years before, rather than just to try and muddy the waters when his BS and inability to form coherent arguments was being shown up. Even if he did, there is no way he has a penis and testicles which could be waxed and a vagina that menstruates.

How is this person allowed to present contradictory evidence about themselves and just handwave and refuse to clarify? While rape victims are still grilled on what knickers they had on and their sex lives etc? Yet this person is allowed to just bypass explaining themselves because feels? (And yes i know a human rights tribunal is not the same as a criminal trial but really. Perhaps a few more awkward questions and the need for actual evidence pertaining to the material facts, ie the complainant’s genital configuration, would a) be in order and b) discourage frivolous and vexatious future litigation by this person and/or others)

I read just recently that in all the history of humankind there have been roughly two cases where a human being has the genitals of both male and female: So intersex conditions basically mean something else. I don't know if that's correct, there is so much misinformation,

If JY is claiming to be intersex, couldn't someone just ask them what intersex condition they have? Because that would then determine what kind of genital configuration they possessed.

And presumably, any knowledgeable questioning would reveal that it was (or wasn't) a lie.

So the mother in this video seems to be saying that jy ‘came out’ to her last july? But in her testimony elsewhere in the case backs up jy’s assertion that they were ‘diagnosed as a girl’ aged 6, and has always presented as female in private, and started periods aged 13/14? Wtf, how is this allowed?

I am really unimpressed by how the Member (judge) is handling this. Yaniv is being allowed to waffle on incoherently about irrelevant stuff, the mother has clearly been coached, and there are constant lies and inconsistencies which go unchallenged.

I really truly do not understand how this is even allowed. It’s a mess. A rambling strange mess that should not be indulged. I really don’t get how this has got this far at all.

Is that the Waxmyballs youtube channel where we can now hear JY claiming to be intersex and having both sets of male and female external genital at once, despite this being medicaly impossible, even in the extremely rare genetic mosaicism types of intersex conditions (where the ovotestes tissue is always internal).

For anyone newly joining this thread on Sunday morning, this YT channel has eight videos from the hearing 17 July.

That a supposedly sane govt in a sophisticated, civilised country could have voted for new laws that have facilitated insanity is mind-boggling.

In one video Yaniv suddenly claims to have a vulva and the defence lawyer points out that in all the months of preparation and all the paperwork Yaniv provided, this had never been mentioned -- in fact, JY had repeatedly stated that genitals are male ~ and indeed, this is the crux that the entire case hinges on!

So the lawyer says, OK a medical examination will settle this ambiguity, and Yaniv refuses, and states that the genitals in question, be they male or female, are irrelevant.

Surely when Yaniv refused to have the matter cleared up by an independent medical professional the tribunal should have been ended by someone in charge. Is anyone in charge any more?

www.youtube.com/channel/UCB3MxRIg1Tc3vxvy-2Uluug

www.youtube.com/channel/UCB3MxRIg1Tc3vxvy-2Uluug

Ricky is very much gender critical. I saw him live a few months ago; about a 1/4 if his set was about stuff like this!

Might make a new thread

thank you Ricky Gervais, for sharing this with your 13 million followers!

For those who missed it - about 30seconds in the mother says 'ata yodeah' which translates in Hebrew to you (male) know.

There is no attempt to call out that 'misgendering'.

Yes, she is an immigrant. English not her first language. And her comments about immigrants who don't assimilate reveal more than she probably realises about her own history.

How much longer will the case take to be heard? And, will there be any examination of JY by the defence, or is that not how this very peculiar hearing works?

What an absolute mess. Bow can anyone pull any relevant information out of that.

Did he really interrogate his own mother for heavens sake. She made mo sense what so ever.

When will we hear about the outcome

YouTube has some interesting videos if you search for ‘bc human rights tribunal’

Op link has gone but this helped.

One minute in and I'm completely befuddled.

How is any of this being taken seriously?

Autocucumber is drunk....

pretty punch = pretty much obvs [sigh]

In keeping with OP YouTube has some interesting videos if you search for ‘bc human rights tribunal’

Just saying 

No worries Red - there's a lot of info, and it does get confusing. Have a look at the thread I linked to a few posts up as it has the background and is pretty punch up to date with where things are.

My worry is if we start speculating too much these threads will be pulled, and I'd hate to loose all this info.

Thank you Girl. I'm not trying to be goady, but some of this is very difficult to make sense of

But from Elsie's report, P shouted but you have only spent 5 nights on your own.
I read that as J always sleeps in Ps bed ?

There is a lot wrong in their relationship, and if they spending most nights together (don't forget JY is in hospital a lot) I still wouldn't read anything in to it. I'm sure they both have spare beds, or sofas, or whatever.
The mom also said she only gets the hour when she baths alone, and some (odd) people surmised that mom must be bathing JY

So, like I said there's a lot wrong with their relationship but I don't think we need to go there!

Plus is it even relevant to the whole tribunal case? I don't think so.