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Study finds high rates of autism in transgender and non-binary population

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Reallybadidea · 19/07/2019 20:49

Another study confirming the association of trans and ASD. I thought the quotes from the author were very interesting, particularly his use of the phrase "born female" as opposed to "assigned female at birth".

eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-07/aru-sft071619.php

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NeurotrashWarrior · 20/07/2019 10:06

Just as an example; There can be a lot of sensory issues for children with asd as well as a love of sensory stimulating things.

So 'girls' clothes, hair, toys ready often soft, shiny, glittery, ribboned, flowy etc. Young boys with asd can be drawn to them (I've had direct experiences of several young boys with asd who loved these things.)

'Boys' clothes can be more practical and comfortable and easy to put on; girls with asd can prefer them - as Temple Grandin describes. This marks both groups of children out as different to the norm early on and favouring or disinterested in stereotypically gendered items and clothes.

All children are individuals though and all children with asd, but obviously a girl who loves the swishy glittery stuff 'fits in more.' A boy doesn't.

One extra thing though is that often pressured clothing can bring comfort and relief to people with autism; you can get pressured under garments and also a "bear hug" which is a tight Velcro chest band with shoulder straps.

These are usually OT directed / prescribed and part of a sensory diet. Temple Grandin invented a squeeze box to relieve tension that she'd get inside daily.

A friend noticed her son was very happy when wearing a wet suit not long before his diagnosis.

I can't help wondering if binders off the same relief for some girls.

VioletLeaf · 20/07/2019 10:03

As the mother of an autistic child who has recently declared themselves transgender and is rigorously pursuing that path this is an issue heavy on my heart.

KCM99 · 20/07/2019 09:58

Which will never succeed, I may add!

They can attempt to corrupt the minds of some and succeed but in the long term, the traditional family will always win, even if that does mean an increasing minority of women having the majority of the babies (in the mean time). However, sooner or later globalism will die, it's already failing, all over Europe and the world people can see it isn't delivering on the utopia that was promised. Young people aren't buying it. The majority of people realise now the media is just a front to push their agenda and hence ignore it/laugh at it.

KCM99 · 20/07/2019 09:53

"I really don't understand why autistic charities are pushing the trans issue when it's so damaging to autistic kids"

@Chocolate1984 very good point. It's the corporatist globalist neoliberal agenda to wipe out the family imho.

VolcanionSteamArtillery · 20/07/2019 09:45

Doesn't surprise me. The need to follow rules to define yourself, gives yourself a set of social rules on how to conduct yourself socially.

But honestly the neuropathways for autism are still little understood. It wouldnt surprise me if we eventually find physical differences, neural and chemical pathways for trans behaviour also.

I suspect gender and sex will be a whole lot more complicated than then we currently aknowledge.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/07/2019 09:45

‘A link’ - there is a link between (higher than average) suicide rates for teens, goths, bullied kids, people with MH issues...

There is also a link of high instances of trans and kids with autism. Isn’t that more interesting and relevant?

The much reported links between trans kids and high suicide stats have been exposed as lies.

Chocolate1984 · 20/07/2019 09:44

Autistic people have a higher rate of suicide and self harm, the issues are already there. I really don't understand why autistic charities are pushing the trans issue when it's so damaging to autistic kids.

FamilyOfAliens · 20/07/2019 09:41

There is a recognised link between suicide rates and trans people

Is there? Do you have a link for that?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/07/2019 09:41

@Babdoc - she’s not wrong. Why else would parents ‘prefer’ to have a trans kid than a gay one?

haggistramp · 20/07/2019 09:39

My autistic DD says that the trans ideology is a eugenic movement to sterilise autistics, gays and lesbians with castration surgery and wrong sex hormones. I half agree with your dd. I'm trying to give the whole movement the benefit of doubt in that when it first started this was not its primary or intended cause, but this is now going to be ultimate result. Autistics gays and lesbians are gonna be the ones disportionally affected. Indirect eugenics by the back door. I am so worried for asd ds but I'm already teaching him sex is immutable. More concern for my tomboy niece who is also asd who I think will more vulnerable to this shite, especially given that her dm doesnt see the inherent dangers of twaw.

MollyButton · 20/07/2019 09:12

It also horrified me when I was invited to a talk at one of the best schools for girls with ASD, which was given by someone with Autism who is a Transman.

I can see the logical path a girl with ASD would take. There are two in fact:

  1. in this society male individuals seem to have all the power and get harassed less. I want to be less harassed and to be less conspicuous/have more power. Therefore I want to be male. And you say I can change my sex.
  2. I like having short hair (it's easier to look after). I like wearing jogging bottoms and baggy t shirts. I don't like people looking at my body. I like Science/Maths/Mechanics. I don't like talking about feelings, I prefer more "transactional" conversations. This all sounds more like a boy - therefore I must be a boy.

My DD had her hair cut short this year, (into a style which was the norm for women in the 80s). She was on more than one occasion called a boy by substitute teachers. I actually had to make complaints to the school about it.

Babdoc · 20/07/2019 08:52

My autistic DD says that the trans ideology is a eugenic movement to sterilise autistics, gays and lesbians with castration surgery and wrong sex hormones.
She’s being a tad dramatic, but I can’t argue that this won’t be the inevitable outcome if this isn’t stopped in its tracks.

Fatted · 20/07/2019 08:50

I really do wonder how much has been considered about the link between trans gender and mental health. There is a recognised link between suicide rates and trans people, but the assumption seems to be that they have mental health problems because they are trans, not accepted etc. Not that the need to change gender is a symptom of other underlying or undiagnosed conditions.

Sweeping generalisation here, but it's like fat people who think losing weight will make them happy.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/07/2019 08:39

And not fine if we are saying you are literally the wrong sex.

It beggars belief that we rightly promote acceptance of all other disabilities, 'neurodivergences' and differences - celebrate the body an individual was born into, but not with gender ideology. 'It must be fixed!'

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/07/2019 08:36

As someone who teaches children with autism, it's strikingly obvious to me how this link occurs.

What's incredibly worrying is that the NAS have someone writing for them advising that the gender identity of a yp with asd must absolutely be taken very seriously and as separate to their autism.

Which is fine if we are talking about self expression; not fine if we are entering medication pathways.

AlwaysComingHome · 19/07/2019 21:13

Even ‘born’ is too much of a concession; we have a sex from conception.

It’s especially relevant to admit this when talking about developmental disorders.

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