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Murder of Lucy McHugh. Safeguarding of vulnerable young women.

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placemats · 19/07/2019 13:13

This is a shocking case. And I'm linking the Guardian deliberately here because of the picture of Lucy which, astonishingly was issued by the police.

Why was this seriously disturbed man allowed to be released?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/19/murderer-of-lucy-mchugh-13-jailed-for-minimum-of-33-years

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placemats · 19/07/2019 18:38

I'm not absolving SS of their responsibility either, I just hate that they always seem to be the focus of all the anger yet it's not often the parents are queried as harshly.

The teacher's were aware of the dangers facing Lucy, so it must have been bad, and reported it to social services, who did precisely NOTHING!

Not in any way excusing the mother in this btw. As for Lucy's dad? No words for either.

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Butterymuffin · 19/07/2019 18:29

Poor Lucy. No one looking out for her. Surrounded by selfish and evil adults. And the reporting at times has been hideous.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 19/07/2019 18:20

She was failed by her parents.
She was failed by SS.
She was failed by a system that releases and doesn't check on dangerous criminals.
How the hell was he allowed to be a carer and live with children?
She was murdered and raped by a man who was able to do so because of the failures of others. The blame ultimately lies with him though.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 19/07/2019 18:05

bigkidsdidit

Fair point, she did do worse than nothing.

I'm not absolving SS of their responsibility either, I just hate that they always seem to be the focus of all the anger yet it's not often the parents are queried as harshly.

bigkidsdidit · 19/07/2019 18:02

Her mother didn’t do nothing - she did worse than nothing ☹️

I’m staggered that social workers could go into a house where a young girl has alleged rape, see a man fresh out prison, a mother who clearly was not up to the job, and conclude everything wS ok.

Poor Lucy, who did speak up and bravely told her mum and others, and no one believed her

InTheHeatofLisbon · 19/07/2019 17:57

Lass and I disagree on just about everything, but on this she's spot on.

The mother was the one with the most responsibility, I'm aware that social services and other agencies did too, but this absolution of parents who fail to do even the most basic of parenting in the media and online really angers me.

Lucy had, at best, a dysfunctional family set up. Her mother denied issues to anyone who came to check on the child.

She was a baby, a little girl who nobody fucking protected, who was raped, repeatedly.

And her mother did nothing.

placemats · 19/07/2019 17:55

Social Services should have protected Lucy. They failed miserably. And I hope that this failure goes all the way to the top, though unfortunately I think that will not happen.

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placemats · 19/07/2019 17:53

Lodgers, all male, who kill families or members of families:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-46443110

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/03/homeless-man-admits-of-stourbridge-woman-who-helped-him

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FormerMediocreMale · 19/07/2019 16:55

So awful. She was let down by so many.

MingingInTheRain · 19/07/2019 16:06

That poor poor child.

Her parents let her down terribly - why on earth was her father completely absent, to the degree that her mother banned him and his family from attending the funeral? Why the actual fuck did her mother expose her to such an obviously damaging home life? And then, when the poor kid told of the abuse, her mother's response was to accuse her of being a liar and a fantasist... Shocking.

Obviously the blame for her murder lies with the piece of shit who killed her, but the situation that led up to this was allowed to develop by her parents. Pretty shitty of social services, taking no further action either though I suppose the SCR will detail their reasoning?

sakura184 · 19/07/2019 15:48

“It seems Lucy developed a crush on Nicholson. Instead of rebuffing her, he encouraged her to continue her interest in him.

Well she's dead. So we don't have her version of events.

And yes the mothers, the mothers who disbelieve their daughters. I know in part they do it because they don't want to be homeless and destitute. But still. A part of it comes from misogyny and hatred of little girls.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 19/07/2019 15:33

Awful awful story.
And yes MaisieDaisy1 - she was groomed, sexually exploited and neglected by those adults who had responsibility for her. There should be no excuses made for them.

MaisieDaisy1 · 19/07/2019 14:52

I was a detective on the child sexual exploitation team prior to recently retiring. It is absolutely incorrect to describe the victim as being in a relationship with the offender. She was clearly being groomed and sexually exploited. Sadly it was not uncommon for mothers to disbelieve their children when they disclose abuse from the mother’s partner. There’s a whole generation of women putting their own needs before those of their children.

Lougle · 19/07/2019 14:49

She described herself as being in a relationship. The fact that such a relationship is inherently abusive is just one factor. To me, reading that she was 'in a relationship' with him implies a sustained abuse, rather than 'was abused', which implies one or more acts of abuse.

MrsSpenserGregson · 19/07/2019 14:48

@bridalwave The caption underneath the photo says it was taken in police custody. And I see exactly what you're saying.

JohnWolfenstein · 19/07/2019 14:45

I am local to this too and today I found the reporting on the local radio news to be inappropriate too. They reported that Lucy was "in a relationship with" her murderer. Not that she was being sexually abused, but that she was in a relationship. A 13 year old in a relationship with a 25 year old.

The reporting is all wrong Sad

bridalwave · 19/07/2019 14:35

Where the hell is he in that photo taken against the door, is it a hospital or psychiatric setting?

He appears to have a semi hard-on who on earth thought it appropriate to publish that?

LassOfFyvie · 19/07/2019 14:34

Her grandmother. Which is part of her family

One part and with no actual safeguarding responsibilities.

*We don't know why the mother didn't believe her daughter or why her parents had formed the opinion that she was in safe company with her eventual murderer.

Mother probably too busy with her own 22 year old boy friend, who was the person who introduced the murderer into her home.

During the trial, it was heard Miss White and her partner Richard Elmes, 22, told teachers and social services Lucy had a "teenage crush"

Ms White told her that Lucy was not left alone with Nicholson and that Lucy had a habit of making up stories

What sort of person when confronted by social services takes the word of a convicted violent offender over their 12 year old daughter? Or isn't concerned that their 12 year old daughter has a crush on a convicted violent offender?

The Mirror has more details about the "family support " this poor girl had.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lucy-mchugh-murder-probe-launched-18336622

GlitchStitch · 19/07/2019 14:31

I agree with Lass. The messages between the 'stepdad' and mother about how he wanted to punch Lucy and her telling him it's not a good idea because he'll get in trouble rather than because she's her daughter and how dare he. Just awful, this poor girl.

bringbacksideburns · 19/07/2019 14:27

This is such an upsetting case it's stayed with me.

I just don't understand how her mother dismissed everything as fantasy. That poor girl was failed by everyone and was so vulnerable.

blue25 · 19/07/2019 14:24

Her mother put her in such a vulnerable position and then didn't listen when Lucy told her what was going on. Teachers reported concerns, social care investigated, but her mother insisted there was no danger from this man.

Lucy's heartbroken father apparently had no contact with Lucy for four years prior to her death.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 19/07/2019 14:18

WHY THE FUCK would you allow a stranger straight out of prison to lodge in your home with your pre-teen daughter?

OhHolyJesus · 19/07/2019 14:17

I'm astonished to read how he held people hostage at knifepoint at the age of 14 and then he went in to get a job as a care worker? How was this not picked up? He was high at the time, there are failings there too surely?

Lucy was very very badly let down by her family and other. May he rot.

Lougle · 19/07/2019 14:10

I don't think anything is obvious about this very sad case, tbh. That's why a Serious Case Review is necessary.

We don't know why the mother didn't believe her daughter, or why her parents had formed the opinion that she was in safe company with her eventual murderer.

We don't know why she kept moving school, or why SS didn't act on the concerns of teachers.

We don't know why Lucy was going to report the fact that she was pregnant, when she wasn't actually pregnant. It was that, sadly, that got her killed. Tragic, given that it wasn't actually true, but perhaps she would have been killed anyway at some point.

placemats · 19/07/2019 13:56

Her grandmother. Which is part of her family.

For a 'lawyer' you presume way too much Lass.

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