Stephen Whittle accusing GC feminists of being funded by the 'evangelical right wing'

It's definitely the right place for me. A nice little bloody enormous earner.

Far right evangelicals funded Christmas chez Zebra. Hasn't everyone had their massive cheque yet? I personally got a bonus for getting a Mumsnet strike - but you do have to provide evidence of the email kindly asking you consider if Mumsnet is the right place for you...

You can come with me (and the sprogs). My cheque was fucking huge. I'm getting another one next month. And I didn't even have to suck dick for socialism for them.

Oh and should have said Stephen whittle. A waffling wanker

Jeez fuck u Lang on your right wing funded cruise

Can me and the kids. (They are horrid kids) lovely children come with you . They can act as staff ?

If we fight this talking about passing/non-passing we will open ourselves up to all kinds of bullshit arguments.

The fight is about rights, lost opportunities, dignity, and safeguarding

I'll be honest I thought Stephen Whittle was male until they said that they were a trans-man, and they did it in a way that dropped in a few hints at first so that I was confused for a few minutes.

Whittle sounds very odd indeed as if fuelled by a burning misogyny. My best guess would be that there was something very damaging in their relationship with their parents that has caused a desire to avenge.

I posted a link to this article earlier in the thread.
www.theguardian.com/society/2007/apr/17/socialcare.highereducationprofile

Whittle's father hit Whittle's mother for wearing trousers. Whittle seems to have internalised Whittle's father's misogyny, and believe wholeheartedly in sexist stereotypes.

Your fella might be short but his arms will be longer than those of a woman of the same height.

No. All you can say is that his arms will be longer than those of some women of the same height. If you are right that men on average have longer arms than women, then there will be more women with shorter arms than him than longer ones. I'm not sure you're right on that, because wingspan is a function of shoulder width as well as arm length, and men tend to have broader shoulders.

It's all about averages. Women are shorter than men on average, but some women are taller than some men. Averages are not absolutes.

I'm running the risk of sounding obsessed so I'm bowing out of this thread.

I'm probably sounding obsessed as well. But there are some differences between men and women where there is no overlap, others where there is very little overlap, and still others where the overlap is huge. It's important to know which differences fit into which category.

I'll stop on this point now, as it's a derail.

I agree with zebra that if I saw someone who looked like Stephen Whittle walking down the street, I'd think they were male.

Ugh @wejammin

Nice one Stephen. Your transition to creepy dude is thoroughly convincing. You pass imo - not so much on your appearance, which is masculine enough but on account of your words.

God, it's bad enough that Canadian prisons just hand out the morning after pill to inmates - but condoms at Brownies/Guides? These are underage children - this is a massive failure in safeguarding. Honestly I cannot believe this is happening.

I remember Stephen Whittle coming onto Mumsnet and talking about "very welcome" sexual experiences they had had at Guides or Scouts (I forget which. I found it very very disturbing and distasteful.

@fraggling, very hard to tell. The chair of the panel is, I think, a friend of Stephen Whittle. No-one else seemed to be twitching. I desperately wanted to put my hand up and ask Stephen Whittle to talk me through that logic but I was very aware of that being a bad idea. I did ask questions later of my legal peers on some other points, but still felt out of step with the room.

Yeah the evangelical right is simply legendary in supporting feisty women of various sexualities! I just picked up my million pound cheque - looks like christmas is on me - and i'm just a lowly mn poster, imagine what famous gc feminists must be on

But we've been through all that on here plenty!

Also guides used to be only girls, as in females.

Them quietly changing from single sex to single gender was awful, and also don't see how it can be legal.

Guides are aged 10-14.
These are children. No way would I be taking emergency contraception.

Whittle sounds very odd indeed as if fuelled by a burning misogyny. My best guess would be that there was something very damaging in their relationship with their parents that has caused a desire to avenge.

'When asked about single sex provision in terms of child protection Stephen Whittle once again repeated that Guide leaders should carry condoms.'

Seriously?

What did everyone else make of SW, what did their faces look like

I attended a legal training course in October run by child concern, a charity that organise training for lawyers who represent children or parents in family law proceedings. It was all about safeguarding children in relation to current transgender issues - in theory. In reality it was a woke-wash.

Stephen Whittle was one of the speakers and had a presentation which was billed as being a guide to transgender rights under current legislation, but what it actually was, was a manifesto of why trans rights matter.

As part of the presentation was a slide about the 'backlash' with a few choice headline clippings from very right wing publications alongside some chosen Mumsnet comments. I literally sat on my hands.

Stephen Whittle could only stay for a few questions as Stephen Whittle's wife needed Stephen Whittle home for a birthday meal. When asked about single sex provision in terms of child protection Stephen Whittle once again repeated that Guide leaders should carry condoms.

When asked about single sex wards in hospital, Stephen Whittle told a bizarre story about how Stephen Whittle often attended a hospital ward with regard to phalloplasty that was mixed sex and they all had a grand old time together. Stephen Whittle's lack of insight on this point was astounding.

Stephen Whittle also told a ridiculous anecdote about having to attend a vulval clinic at a local hospital and how, after Stephen Whittle's visit, the name of the clinic had been changed so as not to put off nice gentlemen like Stephen Whittle. I checked - it's still called the vulval clinic.

I was most unimpressed by Stephen Whittle.

I bought a cruise with my fat fundie cheque. See you in a month when I get back.

Well yes, because transactivists are now talking of "passing privilege" and so on - and claiming that anyone should be able to self ID, no matter how they present. Resulting in male bodied transwomen, with stubble turning up to perform smear tests, and being housed in women's hostels etc.

That thread is interesting, I can't see any 'source of funding' that isn't a crowdfunder on a recognised platform, and the lists show the donations and amounts.

How come its sinister when women fundraise by amounts of £5 and £10, but not a Certain Well Known Organisation?

I think we're well past the point where 'passing' or not has any bearing on anything tbh

I'm going to say yes, I think Stephen Whittle passes - you do get short men, after all.

But then, the effect of testosterone on female bodies is remarkable.

However, if Whittle wants to accuse feminists of being funded by the far right, I'd ask everyone to google 'Jennifer Pritzker' - Trump/Republican supporting billionaire, but who also had the ear of Obama, and lobbied for trans rights Bills in the US, which have been largely implemented to the detriment of women & girls.

OldCrone
fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/
Your fella might be short but his arms will be longer than those of a woman of the same height.
Do you think Whittle passes? My point was that I don't think so. But that's my opinion.

I'm running the risk of sounding obsessed so I'm bowing out of this thread.