Response from Government Equalities Office

…. that just ended up on the wrong thread. Sorry.

Incidentally GC women groups have so far dealt with physical assault, social media threats of physical assault, balaclavaed nuts kettling them on stairwells and blocking their exits, and a bomb threat phoned in.

Has anyone yet come up with a risk assessment?

I mean other than 'roll eyes and carry on'.

'gender diversity is more common than previously thought'

Since that precludes any objective view there's the answer really. The lobby has kicked off and been heard: thinking about why suddenly huge numbers of teenaged girls are desperate not to have to be women in modern society, while the numbers of boys have stayed the same... and looking at the lack of late transitioning women and the huge numbers of transitioning males.... and looking at comorbidities including unmet mental health needs and unmet Autism needs -

Is clearly heresy transphobic. So like safeguarding and women's rights and stuff like that, no sense of duty or responsibility is required. Much more important to throw teenaged girls under the bus than to allow any questioning of the story of late transititoning males. I'm sure the fact that it's the males with money, power and influence and the teenaged girls with nothing at all has nothing to do with it.

It would be more common when you just invented it and previously it wasn't a thing

Ain't that the truth.

Then add a substantial profit into the equation...

Saying 'gender diversity is more common than previously thought' is like Freud saying psychosis and neurosis are more common than previously thought.

It would be more common when you just invented it and previously it wasn't a thing.

Has the tender for this research been posted yet, does anyone know please? I would have thought it had, as the research was announced almost 2 months ago and they said the tender would appear 'in the coming weeks.' But I can't find it on the government's contractsfinder website.

Jacky It would be very reassuring if someone like Professor Heneghan were involved in whatever these research programmes are, so help everyone to build up trust in the eventual findings whatever they turn out to be.
This area requires unbiased and effective tax-payer funded research, asking the right questions of the right people- given the debate so far, a neutral third party looking it over at the start seems like a reassuring idea.

ChattyLion

This man, Carl Heneghan, is the Director of the CEBM at Oxford University and has already made his views known about the lack of evidence and research into children:

www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/find-an-expert/professor-carl-heneghan

See: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47456938

Google search using "Carl Heneghan transgender children" reveals more info.

Klaxon calling out to any medics, HCPs or researchers who can recommend what we should be advocating for here..

There is this group who look great for a highly politicised research situation like this- they bring together patients, carers and researchers to agree research priorities:
www.jla.nihr.ac.uk
James Lind alliance

We have to keep on making a massive noise about this so it can’t be a whitewash. That’s the only upside of the political involvement in this. This publicly funded research has to be impartial.

Sorry to be an arse.. but if anyone is on Twitter (I’m not) please can they tweet this thread to these lot- these are actual academics who work on impartial health care research? www.cebm.net/outreach/
The centre for Evidence based medicine at Oxford university. There are probably other academic groups like them out there if anyone has heard of any- these lot were on the Panorama a while back saying more research needed.
It would be great if a proper academic group like this who don’t have skin in the game could be involved.

Ditto a patient research specialist group, to do it properly, so that people and people who don’t go ahead to transition as well as people who do transition can all be invited to take part in the research.

Maybe some of the people who raised concerns about GIDS etc will be interested in doing this research? They seem like relevant and well positioned clinicians.

This is exactly why The Powers That Be won't let then near it.

This will be a whitewash, of that I have no doubt.

Thanks for link stumble

Part of the problem is the commissioning process. These are rarely open and / or go to contacts, ie the hidden networks that really influence politics. Look at the number of rubbish research that has been published about sex and gender when it starts from the bias of gender (sex) being assigned.

And look at how trans lobby groups dominated the consultation of the GRA in 2004 which many of us weren't even aware of at the time.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/265794

The National Institute for Health Research and the Equality and Human Rights Commission are also launching their own research.

What research is the EHRC launching? ROGD is a public health matter. The EHRC uses research conducted by the likes of Sally Hines. Not helpful.

Maybe some of the people who raised concerns about GIDS etc will be interested in doing this research? They seem like relevant and well positioned clinicians.

Thank you for this thread. This is really important. The responsible Secretary of State needs to commit to an impartial tender process and impartial research questions because this is a highly sensitive area and this is our public money being spent on answering very important questions.

No one involved in lobbying should be eligible for the tender. Experience must be in adolescent behaviour , development and societal influences in girls including detransition.

Totally agree but it will go to a lobby group or organisation linked to one, I'm sure. I have no faith in the GEO.

I read that pink news link and spotted this little gem at the bottom.

Under his eye.

international data suggests that gender diversity in children and young people is more common than previously thought,”

This isn’t a very clean starting point for research into the possibility of ROGD is it? The whole point of the research is to discover why more teenage girls say they want to change sex. Saying the data suggests it’s because there’s more gender diversity kind of misses the whole question to be asked, no?

Emerging international data suggests that gender diversity in children and young people is more common than previously thought

Wtf is this language, "gender diversity" there are 2 sexes and a trillion personalities. Being "gender diverse" (which I read as "gender non conforming") should not mean a visit to the doctors or being given puberty blockers / chest binders etc. It's just normal childhood behaviour.

I emailed my (female Tory) MP about this and her secretary replied to say that Penny M was about to release details of the consultation - and linked in this article!! I now have zero respect for my MP www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/07/04/penny-mordaunt-results-gender-recognition-act-consultation-published-asap/

"The National Institute for Health Research and the Equality and Human Rights Commission are also launching their own research. A tender for the next stage of the government research will be released in the coming weeks".

Well, we all know what that will say, don't we. Their top guy doesn't even know sex is a Protected Characteristic, and they have been desperately trying to conflate sex with Gender Identity for ages, while ignoring and internally scrambling to dodge responding to Fair Play For Women who pointed out their many legal inaccuracies.

For reference, I remember the following recent MN thread, and think it is relevant here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3637750-Transgender-Government-Influence

www.agender.org.uk/
is an organisation within UK government agencies and departments, "covering all aspects of gender reassignment, gender identity, gender expression and Intersex."

No idea why intersex are included, since intersex/ DSD has nothing at all to do with trans ideology, and intersex organisations have asked not to be dragged into this utter shitstorm.

Where are women (adult human females) in all this?

”international data suggests that gender diversity in children and young people is more common than previously thought,”

This makes it clear that they have already drawn their conclusions. Like Liz Barker and the “starting from the position that transwomen are women” fiasco.

The GEO is unbelievably biased on GRA related matters. Lobbyists and activists working as civil servants. Bit of a scandal waiting to implode that one.