A word that is creeping into use here on the Feminism boards

there are two kinds of -ism that have different implications

Not sure that's true. An -ism is a belief in that thing. The reason that racism and sexism are negative is because they are bad beliefs.

Similarly Genderism is (like Racism) the belief that something unreal and harmfull (Gender/Race) has objective existence and the bigotry which accompanies that belief.

I see why it can be confusing (though I also use it) - there are two kinds of -ism that have different implications (though I guess all are based on a belief system)

Catholicism for eg would be the religious use, so the "genderism" then is those that follow those beliefs.

OTOH, racism for eg would be people against the a particular thing, so "genderism" in that case could be deemed to be those who are GC...?

I like genderism too, for adherents to that religion. Makes the point that it's not necessarily about trans.

I use 'sex roles' instead of gender and never use gender critical or gender non conforming. I hate the concept so much I don't want to give it that level of respectability. Like 'oh he's gender non conforming'- well that's normal, we don't need a special phrase for that.

Maybe because a lot of the clear, factual and unambiguous language we could be using isn’t allowed?

I've started to use "sex role stereotypes" where I would formerly have used "gender". It's clunky and sometimes requires restructuring sentences, but it has the benefit of great clarity.

And I use "sex" where I mean "sex", of course!!

I thought you were going to critique "calls out". Perhaps I'll start my own thread...

Yeah, totally cool to be asking these questions. It's always useful to examine what we're saying and why. It's been a good thread to flesh out the reasoning behind the language, without anyone needing to ostracize those who disagree.

Just me then

But the great thing about not being a Genderist is that that's OK :-) Imagine how exhausting it must be, to always have to guess the correct groupthink for every opinion you might have.

Genderism to me is useful because it draws a direct comparison between both of the major groups of followers of the cult of gender:

1. Those who believe “we all have a gender identity” so you’d better alter your body via surgery and hormones to match

1. those who believe you’d better conform to the arbitrary set of stereotypes associated with your sex (eg “gender”) because it’s “gods will” / “the law of nature”

Non genderists aka feminists believe there’s no causal relationship between your behavior and your sex, but what sexist society compels.

Genderism could also be used in non-transgender contexts when referring to ideologies that support gender roles e.g. misogynistic religions

YY vesuvia , I would class both the westboro baptist church and jordan peterson as genderist

it's not transgenderism I object to per se - it's what it springs from: the belief that gender is good and natural

I tend to use the term "transgenderism" when referring to the political ideology that supports gender identity, but the short form "genderism" works just as well.

Genderism could also be used in non-transgender contexts when referring to ideologies that support gender roles e.g. misogynistic religions.

But both groups, the trans ideologists and the gender critical, use the word gender extensively, so both could appear to be '

The IST indicates adherence to a belief system. If the position was opposition to the belief system it would have 'anti' before it
Cf feminist / anti-feminist
Racist / anti-racist
Genderist couldn't possibly refer to GCs - it makes no semantic sense

I'm probably using gender ideology at the moment.

Urban dictionary is giving this definition as the top one, which to me makes sense. And defining it as an ideology.

However there are a few attempts to define it in a similar way to "racism." Though it's getting short shrift.

I hadn't noticed the word here actually.

I've been noticing gotten too much

JellySlice wrote - "But both groups, the trans ideologists and the gender critical, use the word gender extensively, so both could appear to be 'genderists'."

Karl Marx used the word "capital" a lot, but that didn't make him a capitalist.

I think the widely accepted convention is that an "ism" refers to the supporters of the "ism" not the opponents. Genderism is consistent with this convention because it refers to supporters of the belief that gender identity is innate, not related to biological sex and should determine a person's gender role. Genderism doesn't describe critics of gender identity or critics of gender roles.

I'm aware that gender critics often describe transgender ideology as genderism and describe its supporters as genderists, but I have not noticed transgender supporters (or anyone else) describing criticism of gender as genderism or describing opponents of gender as genderists.

To be fair I tend to use "gender ideologist" rather than "genderist" BC as far as I know "genderist" isn't actually in the dictionary.

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I've not used it, but I don't find it unclear. It might be if used to members of the general public.

But both groups, the trans ideologists and the gender critical, use the word gender extensively, so both could appear to be 'genderists'

It's quite obvious who is criticizing gender and who is worshipping it.
"Genderist" applies to the latter.

But both groups, the trans ideologists and the gender critical, use the word gender extensively, so both could appear to be 'genderists'.

I think using Genderist and Gender Critical makes the difference pretty clear.

I use 'Genderism' as a term for the neo religion that teaches the gender is an innate part of the human sexed experience.

Yep, that. I was using Butlerism (after Judith Butler); Anti Women Activists was used for a while, but Genderism seems to be sticking.

I think we need this word:

1. The term TRAs makes it seem (wrongly) like we are fighting against those who support trans rights. The vast majority of us support trans rights and TRAs are often deeply hostile to the wellbeing of actual transsexuals.

1. Even once you get over the transphobia nonsense, using TRA frames the debate around trans rights. It's not, it's about women's rights.

1. Genderism is more than just a desire for self ID- it's a philosophy that material reality is less important than subjective belief. Most people don't fully understand what Genderism is arguing for- if they did, they would not support it.

We need to be able to name our enemy (and it certainly isn't Trans people).

I also like the term. It's the ideology of gender itself that's problematic. I object to being told I identify with a gender, I object to being told that gender overrides sex, I don't object to the "trans" aspect particularly I object to the whole philosophy of gender and "identity" overriding observable reality.

I like genderism/genderists and gender abolitionists as descriptors.