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This is why mumsnet is considered transphobic

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gingerginger2 · 16/07/2019 08:20

Syntax

jayhulme.com/blog/warinwords

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gingerginger2 · 16/07/2019 09:01

I don’t agree with the article but think it is interesting in trying to understand why talking what could be considered normally is considered transphobic by certain people.

I thought others would find it interesting too.

And I was hoping to crowd source a countering from the clever folk here.

It’s Orwellian innit?

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 16/07/2019 09:00

Don’t give the ‘writer’ the clicks

CharlieParley · 16/07/2019 08:56

Very well put FloralBunting the writer is clearly despairing because we do mean what we say. When words have meanings that's not all that difficult. And it makes raising awareness of the serious, damaging consequences of legal sex self-determination easier as well.

The whole thing is manipulative, full of insinuation, obfuscation and downright lies. Nearly full TRA bingo too.

Had the best laugh at the "I'm a writer, so I know what they're doing". Assuming the audience is too dumb to parse the meaning of fairly simple words AND therefore needs the learn-ed writer's benign guidance is of course one of the worst follies of writers AND THEN proceeding to do what one accuses the other side of doing merely adds insult to injury.

PerrysWinkle · 16/07/2019 08:50

Mumsnet is only considered transphobic because we refuse the bow down to men.

LangCleg · 16/07/2019 08:43

While inventing their own vocabulary to speak on trans issues

Oh, the irony.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 16/07/2019 08:42

More dangerously is that in transphobe-speak trans women become “transwomen” and trans men “transmen” - what is so dangerous about that? The missing space.

More dangerously is climbing Everest. What is so dangerous about that? Its one of the world’s tallest mountains and many climbers have died in the attempt.

More dangerous is entering a lion’s cage. What is so dangerous about that? Lions are 250kg of predator as many poachers have learned.

More dangerous is signing an anti-abortion proclamation in Alabama. Why is that so dangerous? The added signature. Women will die or suffer grievous injuries from illegal abortions.

But then you have the most dangerous of all, THE MISSING SPACE.

FloralBunting · 16/07/2019 08:39

Isn't that interesting. I often examine the language used by the trans cult, because it tells us so much, and so I understand the impetus to try and do the same from their perspective.

All I will do in response to this piece is point out that when I have evaluated their terminology, the most obvious part of the methodology they employ is to use language to obscure, to confuse, to define those who use the words as an accepted part of the cult, and those who reject the language as outside the cult. The meanings of the words are almost incidental to them.

The complaint in this article is that those critical of genderism use plain statements that are factual and convincing, but underneath, somehow, those reasonable statements must mean something else. The problem for them is people read our statements and accept those statements without confusion. Everything in the article is begging the question, assuming that the plain sense cannot really be all there is, determined to reject the conclusion.

On a positive note, it's the first use I've seen of the argument that 'trans women' is just a prefix that hasn't gone straight for the racist comparison of 'black women'. Sadly, it has gone straight for 'gay women', and I'm not sure swapping out racism for homophobia is much of an improvement.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 16/07/2019 08:31

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MuseThalia · 16/07/2019 08:31

I got as far as to the end of the list, haven't read the rest of it.. I am obviously what they consider 'transphobic' over what I think of that rubbish. Especially the first one LOL

Alltheprettyseahorses · 16/07/2019 08:29

There's 3 minutes of my life I won't get back. If the writer is so interested in the power of words, they need to remember that 'Woman' means something too and it doesn't include 'Man'.

NeurotrashWarrior · 16/07/2019 08:27

From the op article:

"When a group is defined out of existence, there is little we can do to stand up for ourselves. If we cannot point out the disingenuous undercurrent to their “reasonable statements” there is nothing we can do to defend ourselves from them. This twisting of language is clever, but every time it is pointed out for what it is, we win a little victory. I hope you have learnt enough from this, that you can help us win some little victories.
I hope you see what they are doing, and stand against it."

Absolutely. If you can't define Woman how can you provide the appropriate care and safeguarding?

If you can't define lesbian, how can you assert boundaries against rape culture?

If you can't define gender dysphoria, how can you provide the appropriate care; which may or may not involve actual transition at an age when the individual understands all the medical and social implications of this?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/07/2019 08:27

‘He’ oh another wee male gobshite who doesn’t like women then?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/07/2019 08:26

They understand the power of definition and expression, and try to destroy and twist language to their own aims.

Oh yes. TWAW, t**f, carriers, chest feeders, woman/lesbian OED, complaints about tampons being described as for women...

Oh sorry, that’s the translobby...

Babdoc · 16/07/2019 08:26

I was delighted to see he only got one comment and it was three days ago! Obviously nobody is rushing to agree with his (reality defying) nonsense.

NeurotrashWarrior · 16/07/2019 08:23

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/