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Two unrelated newspaper reports

86 replies

Baguetteaboutit · 15/07/2019 15:19

That have absolutely nothing to do with one another but I'm just putting them here, for later.

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/middlesbrough-tory-councillor-appear-court-16586889.amp#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

And

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/gender-neutral-toilets-trial-backed-16466368

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ixqik · 16/07/2019 06:12

Well this is a peak trans episode that keeps giving. Mendacious prick.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/07/2019 23:20

So someone who is later accused of abusing kids actually wangled their way into positions of power with kids?

Well colour me rainbow-amazed.

Comingtoatownnearyou · 15/07/2019 22:36

It just gets worse and worse doesn't it?

I am sure time will tell in regards to the charges brought against him.

Popchyk · 15/07/2019 21:59

Mayor here saying that he'd already delayed the trial of mixed sex toilets, pending more feedback.

twitter.com/Tees_Issues/status/1150743869367169024

Turns out Dave Smith, the accused, is on the Children and Young People's Learning Scrutiny panel at the council.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 15/07/2019 21:51

Might go and have a word with the Mayor...

ZebrasAreBras · 15/07/2019 21:16

In the US, but convicted sex offender was leading a campaign for the Bathroom Bill.

www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article64943682.html

Different continent, same issue.

ZebrasAreBras · 15/07/2019 21:14

"TERF fearmongering about public restrooms was fact-free drivel"

I think "well, they would say that, wouldn't they" is particularly relevant here.

Popchyk · 15/07/2019 21:00

Remember that fella a while back who was all over Twitter lecturing, among others, Glinner, that women's concerns about predators accessing women and children in toilets were "not well founded".

Peter Bright. Arrested by the FBI for attempting to solicit sexual relations with with a 9 year old and a 7 year old.

www.businessinsider.com/peter-bright-charges-attempting-solicit-sex-minors-2019-6?r=US&IR=T

Bright had previously lamented that "glinner blocked me a few months ago after I pointed out in my usual polite fashion that TERF fearmongering about public restrooms was fact-free drivel".

womenarehuman.com/transgender-activist-ars-technica-writer-charged-with-sexually-soliciting-minors-peter-bright/

Juells · 15/07/2019 20:54

Surely this case hasn't just popped up out of nowhere? Did Councillor Dave not know he was being investigated when he started this campaign?

As for the other person photographed in the article, if I was alone in a public toilet and that person came in I think I'd scream at the top of my lungs in fright :(

ZebrasAreBras · 15/07/2019 20:53

Completely unacceptable to commandeer Disabled toilets too.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 15/07/2019 20:47

"One simple solution that would be to rename disabled toilets as open access toilets and leave it so that binary men and women's needs are met with access to gendered toilets."

So says the Trans Aware representative, who seems not to give a shit about people who might urgently need a disabled toilet. And as for non binary people needing a special loo... it sounds batshit. Should there be one for each of the other 70+ genders too?

2cats2many · 15/07/2019 20:46

Well, well, well....

ZebrasAreBras · 15/07/2019 20:43

They do all have the 'look' though. I have always been "don't judge people by what they look like' - but then I always think of "the gift of fear" and how that fear is probably there for a reason.

My friend who divorced her husband when it transpired he was paedophile, told me about the "paedo smile" - It's true - they all have it. And something in the eyes. I think it might be linked to "duper's delight' too - they're all fucking laughing at the ease with which safeguarding measures are being broken down. They're duping people.

koshkat · 15/07/2019 20:35

Yet another replusive doughboy crawls out of the woodwork.

They all look the same.

allmywhat · 15/07/2019 20:31

Last time he was on the news for the gender neutral toilets thing, a LOT of people on Twitter were saying "why do the men pushing this always look like sex offenders?"

Probably the way he looks is a red herring. But at this point, women and children should be extra careful around males who advocate for gender neutral toilets.

ZebrasAreBras · 15/07/2019 20:30

who sounds like they are trying to find a way forward that suits as many people as possible.

As many pervs as possible, more like.

Madvixen · 15/07/2019 20:20

The Trans Aware spokesperson who advocated for making disabled toilets "open access"?

TemporaryPermanent · 15/07/2019 20:17

hope he's innocent.

And I like the sound of the Trans Aware person who sounds like they are trying to find a way forward that suits as many people as possible.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 15/07/2019 19:59
  • yes, Juells, though I fought my own instincts and didn't want to make any presumptions.

Reminds me of the research on women recognising 'dark triad' personality traits:

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886917306852

JessicaWakefieldSV · 15/07/2019 19:52

Wow.

I don’t even know what to say anymore

ScrimshawTheSecond · 15/07/2019 19:47

Gosh, crikey, what a shock.

ZebrasAreBras · 15/07/2019 19:44

The mayor has said he is delaying the start of the toilet trial following feedback

Ah, on the face of it, that seems like good news.

But I would point out the obvious. Whether this particular man is found guilty or not - this should not be the decider in whether to go for gender neutral toilets or not.

The fact is, the Mayor's eyes should now be wide open to the glaring safeguarding risks to women and girls that gender neutral toilets pose.

What the hell do we have to do to get this recognised??

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 15/07/2019 19:42

It's all about safeguarding and what we know about risk. Gender neutral facilities will attract predators. Predators are therefore likely to be in favour of gender neutral facilities.

This is just a general observation, obviously. Innocent until proven guilty is a very important principle.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 15/07/2019 19:40

Indeed, he could be completely innocent of all nine accusations against him.

GrumpyGran8 · 15/07/2019 19:34

It doesn't seem fair while the presumption is that he is innocent
Well, I never.... a Mumsnetter who doesn't think "charged with" means "convicted of"!
I thought I was the only one.