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Porn as a violent hate crime

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sakura184 · 15/07/2019 10:36

Just thinking about the violence of porn, which Gail Dines covers in her books. And Dworkin explaining that if it were any other group of people apart from women, who were being hurt, given diseases, and abused, then there would be a national outcry.
But because being abused is what women are for, people can't see, or they overlook, the harm. I remember her saying that the value of a woman correlated to her ability to be abused. It took a long time for me to get my head around what she was trying to communicate. It still boggles me a bit.

Ultimately the existence of porn is justified on the grounds of free speech. I think this goes a long way to telling us how women are viewed. I still can't get my head around that one, no matter how hard I try.
Anyway, women die and suffer bodily trauma because of porn. I can't see how it is anything other than a hate crime.

( just an aside, and for a comparison of how women are treated compared to other groups, How is it possible that my right to refuse "preferred pronouns" doesn't fall under free speech? And how is it possible that misgendering is a violent hate crime? The unfairness and doublethink of this bothers me a lot)

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TheInebriati · 15/07/2019 12:20

Its astonishing that the 'women who enjoy watching porn' never get together to make ethical porn so people can enjoy watching other people have sex with a clear conscience.

I've never met a woman who watches porn. I've met a lot of people online who claim women watch porn, their evidence is usually that 'Porn Hub say X number of searches are performed by women.'

They ignore the point that many men tick 'woman' when they search because they think they'll get better or different porn.

Ereshkigal · 15/07/2019 12:19

Yes. HTH.

soapona · 15/07/2019 12:14

Are they degrading women too?

Grimbles · 15/07/2019 11:49

What about them?

soapona · 15/07/2019 11:46

What about women who enjoy watching porn?

sakura184 · 15/07/2019 11:37

I've just wikied Mary Whitehouse. Obviously I'm not a right wing Christian but I'm happy to align with right wing women. Dworkin wrote a book called Right Wing Women and in it she argues that right wing women have a better grasp of reality than feminists and left wing women. That they make a concession to men, to be faithful and to bear his children alone, and in return they expect certain things. It seems right wing women have a better grasp of what male unbridled sexuality actually means for women and children and we mock them for being "pearl clutchers "

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sakura184 · 15/07/2019 11:33

Prison . Jesus

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MsTSwift · 15/07/2019 11:31

Mary whitehouse actually was absolutely right it seems

TheInebriati · 15/07/2019 11:28

A woman in Indonesia recorded her bosses indecent phone call and she is being sent to prison for distributing obscene material.

www.nytimes.com/2019/07/05/world/asia/indonesia-harassment-case.html

sakura184 · 15/07/2019 11:08

Regarding your daughter, did you hear about the French woman who filmed a man masturbating on a train so she had evidence. And then she got a higher fine than him!

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sakura184 · 15/07/2019 11:07

It's all of those things @Sicario but I think the underlying motive is hatred of women

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Sicario · 15/07/2019 11:05

It's not a hate crime. It's the sustained, sanctioned, violent abuse of women and girls. It's rape. It's assault. It's coercive control. It's sex trafficking, kidnapping, murder and paedophilia.

Sicario · 15/07/2019 11:03

It's a global elephant in the room and has given rise to an epidemic of sexual sickness based on male fantasy.

Boys' minds are poisoned beyond comprehension and girls think that this is how they are expected to behave/perform? One has only to look at the incel groups to see how porn breeds and perpetuates misogyny and violence towards women and girls.

It's all about normalising and promoting extreme male sexual entitlement and the abuse of women and girls. And girls are fucking terrified, yet are expected to suck it up (often literally), and comply with male sexual demands.

Gone are the days of dodgy top shelf magazines hidden away in the back of a wardrobe. Shocking, extreme porn is freely available at the touch of a screen, anywhere, any time, and there is no stopping it.

One of my daughters had a man sitting beside her on a crowded bus watching hardcore porn on his phone. In public. And nobody did anything. She got up and left but still, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

If I could burn it all down, I would. But nobody gives a shit because it's just women, right? And we can all shut the fuck up.

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