Peak Transing

You're right, I did. God forbid that there should be more than one person at a time willing to disagree with the FWR group-think.

Exactly, I mean WTF - if there's more than one dissenting voice it's apparently sock puppeting in some minds

@RosesAndRaindrops so where should transwomen be, and why?

it seems that collectively you've decided that Hamster00 must be ignored

I don't agree with Hamster
I don't think transwomen should all be in the mens
Am I not allowed to disagree because someone trans said different?
I'm not ignoring.
I've said I don't agree.

XXcstatic Sat 13-Jul-19 22:19:24
You forgot sockpuppetting, Germaine. Must have slipped your mind..

You're right, I did. God forbid that there should be more than one person at a time willing to disagree with the FWR group-think.

This thread has been great for the lurkers, well this lurker at least
Hang on, I've just seen your username, you're a lurker? I've seen you post quite a bit.

But seriously Roses I'd love to take a closer look at whatever it was you changed your mind over because of evidence that contradicted stuff being said on here. I'd love to be wrong about something - in fact I would much much rather I was wrong on almost every point. The day I find out I am in fact just paranoid/ hysterical/ ignorant and that it does all actually make sense and it's all fine and no one's getting hurt, will be a very happy day for me.

This thread has been great for the lurkers,

It definitely has, I agree.

This thread has been great for the lurkers, well this lurker at least, I've read first hand all the obfuscation, the constant demand for "proof"
When citations were given they weren't accepted because the original poster didn't give them. Over and over again
Corn dollys galore, such repetition of untruths, posters being called men, that didn't happen posters being called bots, that didn't happen.Lies and more lies. So many lies, and twisting of the written word.
And then when Hamster00 rocks up as a trans person and posts in good faith and is ignored and dismissed. That imo is real life literal transphobia. roses, petrol, early it seems that collectively you've decided that Hamster00 must be ignored,

Hey germaine how come you haven’t turned up on the JY or Hubbard threads

Indefensible or wha t or you just really don’t care.

You have no idea which other names I post under. Horses for courses and all that,

Hey germaine how come you haven’t turned up on the JY or Hubbard threads Indefensible or wha t or you just really don’t care
Why do we have to turn up on random threads to be listened to?
What has what thread we have been on or haven't been on got to do with anything?

whatsthecomingoverthehill It was in reference to the claim upthread that someone had been GC then seen how mean everyone was on the TIM thread and had their eyes opened. But I wasn't sure what they were supposed to have had their eyes open to? Facts don't change just because you don't like the people stating them! There was another poster who used to be all over here saying she used to be GC but changed her mind because of how rude we were. As if it's OK for kids to be brainwashed into transitioning as long as you don't like the people protesting it. Baffling.

Only today, on other thread, one said that they will send all our details to someone who regularly doxxes women to their employers "and is very successful" apparently.
Yes, and I've agreed that's disgusting when people do that. I think my exact words were OK not cool to threaten to dox
Then said on top of that it's awful to do that. As it is.

Exactly that @GermaineBunbury

The only thing that TRAs have in their arsenal is women, why aren't you being nice?

I think it comes as a shock to many of them that they can't guilt women into being nice. Because very quickly they tried to coerce them, then threaten them.

Only today, on other thread, one said that they will send all our details to someone who regularly doxxes women to their employers "and is very successful" apparently.

They are the masters of the own goal.

My work had a big rainbow day to "promote inclusion and equality" all very obscure as to what that actually meant... references to identity and authentic selves. No outsiders posters everywhere. When the topic of trans rights inevitably came up over lunch absolutely nobody thought it was a good idea to allow self id transwomen into female prisons, changing rooms, toilets, sports ...Everybody agrees with equality and inclusion when they keep it vague, but as soon as whats actually proposed is spelled out in black and white normal people think its OBVIOUSLY nuts! Hence the #nodebate, hence why more and more people #peaktrans

Excellent post germaine. Remind us that women , real women, would never fight For their their rights. VEry unfetching

Or should we set up combat threads.one tra , one gc , and only one shall emerge.

Germaine, i completely agree that it isn't a balanced discussion on here. But I don't see anyone threatening to "shoot TRAs".

ByGrab, I'm not sure if that was in response to me or not but I'll answer anyway!

So much of the TRA argument hinges on a basic approach of "we should all be nice to each other, especially trans people who suffer so much". But then I see those people comparing feminists to nazis, saying lesbians who don't want to have sex with transwomen are transphobic etc. That kinda pulls the rug out of the "be nice" approach and makes me wonder whether it's motivated by something else. Also, nobody has ever told me that I should be open to having sex with transwomen. That is because I'm a man. That tells me quite a lot in itself.

Hey germaine how come you haven’t turned up on the JY or Hubbard threads

Indefensible or wha t or you just really don’t care.

You forgot sockpuppetting, Germaine. Must have slipped your mind..

I agree Lang. He totally understood what it was all about from the male perspective.

He doesn't appear to judge the sexual motive, at all. But he absolutely recognises it. Which is why transactivists hate him.

But even if you watch his recent videos with Benjamin Boyce, he's utterly oblivious to the misogyny which underlies the motivation.

It's quite extraordinary how someone can see something square in the face, but not recognise why it is there.

The TRA approach probably has worked to stop some people speaking up, but it will massively fail in actually winning hearts and minds.

And you think the massively combative/defensive, anyone who doesn't agree with "us" is
A) A man
b) sealioning
c) a handmaiden
d) bubbling over with internalised misogyny
e) part of a co-ordinated effort to shut the board down,

followed by the "excellent post --[fwr regular]"
and then the inevitable calls of "DARVO" Is convincing women that debate here is anything but hard work if one hasn't first read and internalised the MN FWR playbook?

LAng, please give a. “Grab onto your hat” warning before explaining such shenanigans !

I'm not sure what the perceived rudeness is supposed to be opening people's eye to?

That we're not Womanning right, and are thus nonpersons and can be safely ignored, I think.

My main observation with Blanchard is that, although he has studied everything, none of it is through the lens of a woman, feminist or otherwise. And it shows.

It's the Upside Down, really.

Blanchard et al were the ones to greenlight heterosexual XYs to surgically/medically transition. But now transactivism hates them because they've got what they needed and don't like the idea of sexologists going about suggesting that XY hetero transition has a sexual motive. Conversely, feminists now stick up for them because they suggest that XY hetero transition has a sexual motive, despite the fact that they were the ones who came up with the absurdly sexist concept of "living as a woman".

It's like the plot of a Black Mirror episode.