Netball is a gender-affected sport. Any others?

Fencing has rules about T

Pretorious and why fencing associations and allies are standing by a transgender champion:

Chris Mostert, chairperson of the Gauteng Fencing Association, said: “I don’t have a problem with transgender athletes. If women are going to lose against Pretorius, then they didn’t deserve to win.”
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Thobekile Moyo of the Wits fencing team said she had a fair competition against Pretorius.

“Her only slight advantage is how tall she is, but every fencer has some sort of physical advantage.”

Alex Collings, a University Sports SA referee, said Pretorius had a deep understanding of the rules and technical nuances of the foil (one of the weapons categories), which is why she stood out – not because of her physical attributes.

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I don't know where to start. This is more than one physical advantage when it's 'advantages' that favour one sex's physiology rather than another. If the young fencer doesn't realise that extra height and reach and (probably) faster reflex reactions and greater explosive force are relevant when facing an opponent with a different physiology then experience may well change her present opinion.

But - that referee's remark defies all explanation and understanding.

There's a form of feminism and fairness that protects all women and there's a form of feminism and fairness that strips sex-based protections from women - I have no confusion as to what is on display here.

Fencing has rules about T but I've not managed to get a straight answer about how you can ask someone to give you their T results..?
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ALL sport should be sex segregated unless playing in a mixed sex competition.

Males (Y chromosome holders) have many physiological advantages over females (XX chromosome holders).

Therefore, males (people with a Y chromosome) need to compete with males. Not with females. Females have no Y chromosomes.

Whatever their appearance, name, preferred pronoun, dress sense, hair length, choice of makeup or any other such arbitrary measure is.

Well in that case they can fuck right off.

My understanding is that they're saying that male players can only play in a women's team if they have surgery or take drugs.

Of course male players don't have to do that. Of course male players can play in a men's team.

But certain male players don't want to play in a men's team, they want to play in a women's team - whether because they aren't good enough for the men's team or because they insist on having their personal beliefs validated at any cost to others.

not to compete in domestic competition unless they have had a gonadectomy or taken hormones and have t in a required range.

I think it is utterly appalling to insist that someone has medically un-necessary surgery or drug treatment in order to access an activity or facility. Nobody has the right to negate another person's bodily integrity.

Yeah I've bounced passed before. Tactic of a short player whose pass may be intercepted.

Ah fair enough UrsulaPandress (love your username). Probably due to happen here (Oz) soon, unfortunately, we are getting closer to Canada everyday.

Did men "invent" the bounce pass, or did men simply change the rules of netball to include it.

Just like they are changing the definition of woman.

It seems to me that any person could "invent" throwing a ball to someone with a bounce.

I too have been googling about the bounce pass. How do we know that men invented. quietly outraged

PS: Men invented the bounce-pass and the dive-pass.

They did? I've just googled a bounce-pass and we were doing that at primary 30 years ago.. I couldn't get a hit for dive-pass.

In any case - I have no problem with mixed sex anything, as long as it's clear that's what it is. Where the problem is, is saying that it's women's netball, and then letting some males play.

I know that when I played, as a shorty, I was absolutely useless in any of the goal scoring positions - the taller girls could cover me so completely I couldn't do anything but pass to someone else (often with a bounce pass)

Men’s netball = basketball no?

No issue with mixed sex teams at all. When I said no men in netball I meant 'those men'.....

Men in UK much more likely to play Nets (cage netball on an urban tennis court) which can be male, female or mixed.

PS: Men invented the bounce-pass and the dive-pass.

Oh yes I agree. I'm happy too that it is acknowledged as mixed sex.

Oops sorry to break it to all the no men in netball posters. But at DS2 high school (male single sex) they have netball as a sport option. It's my understanding they field a mixed sex team in conjunction with their sister school. I can't say much more as my son switches between baseball on season and rock climbing (also mix sexed) off season.

Yes this is in Australia. We love our netball here. I played off and on until my early 30's.

This is what a gender affected sport is fairplayforwomen.com/sport_policy/

I’ve been looking at sports governing bodies in Scotland and in general the trans advice is a mess. Stuff about gonadectomies I would guess is illegal. Surgery is not necessary to gain a GRC. They have mad criteria based on levels of testosterone, based on nothing as far as I can see, and testing for it, which, in amateur sport, I can’t see how they have the authority to demand. Different criteria for pubertal children and pre-pubertal children etc etc
There’s a whole random mix about what they mean by trans, with polygender mentioned in a case.
I think Scottish Hockey have been trained by Gender Intell
They read to me that they’ve been done in a panic, feeling they have to do something but have not a clue what they’re doing. I don’t see how they’ve considered them along with their child protection and safeguarding policies, most of which seem thorough and well put together (not an expert).
Reckon if we could produce something like transgender trend did for schools, they might well listen.

What I would like, more than anything with this debate with sport, is for all the sporting organisations to say to trans activists:

“You need to definitively prove to us, through rigorous academic research that males DO NOT have any advantages over females. It is not up to us to prove they do, because the whole fucking world knows it it’s up to you to prove they don’t. If you do that, we will welcome you with open arms. So off you go, get researching, sign people up for studies, publish it and we will talk again in about 100 years. Until then, leave us alone just fuck off.”

A six foot two woman is allowed to play netball because she is a woman.