‘Fucking Terfs’

Bearing in mind what others have already said about the possibly greater impact on those watching from the sidelines, as well as putting woke-bloke's head in a bit of a spin, QueenArseClangers , I think I would be tempted to retort along the lines of,

"You realise you don't speak for all Transwomen? Some would find your views very offensive and extremely unhelpful. Educate yourself and try listening to transwomen who have enough insight, empathy and intelligence to see things from the point of view of men, women and transwomen. Just two examples: Seven Hex's "To Men" and Fionne Orlander's video .

Seven Hex: "To Men"
sevenhex.com/to-men/

Fionne Orlander

I guess you could then ask him if he would exclude these views? Which would make him a "Fuckin' TERF!" too

An acquaintance of mine on Facebook who, ironically I met at an abortion rights march, commented the other day about friending someone then finding out they were a “fucking terf” and not being able to unfriend them quick enough.

My fb is super bland so she clearly hasn’t realised i, too am likely a “fucking terf” by her lights, and I’m debating whether to enlighten her, possibly using that Helen Lewis article. It’s hard to know whether I can be bothered to expend the emotional energy, but then it also feels a bit cowardly not to.

Her child is identifying as trans, so on balance I think that no good can come of it, but it doesn’t sit right as I generally don’t ditch friendships over differences of opinion - I like plurality of views around me.

Wokey blokeys as in the op can generally fuck off though 🤣

Yah. Sick of the whole thing. It's brought out my inner witch.

Next time any of you get Terf or worse - use this

Trans wtfmen are wtfmen.

Crikey! That is someone you know?

He is indeed a prince!

Loving the term ‘woke willy wangler’.

I shall attempt to use it inevery other sentence for at least a week.

So basically, according to this lovely man, any lesbian who says she only likes to have sex with people with actual vaginas, ‘deserves to be excluded’?

Wow.

Shameless hatred of lesbians for daring to reject men.

Excluded from what, I wonder? Society? Medical care? Political parties? Basic human rights? Justice?

I feel seriously sorry for any woman who gets involved with this man. You should be glad you’ve found out what he is. This guy thinks women ‘deserve to be excluded’ if they don’t want penises. That’s rape culture, shameless and aggressive and frightening. Run from him, don’t walk.

Tell him to come back when the Koolaid's worn off.

If your feminism included people with penises, it ain't feminism. Feminism is for females.

Your replies are great Queen I would add another little bit about "Terf" being a misogynistic slur, link to
Terfisaslur.com
And if you knew anything about misogyny you wouldn't use such a term.

I bet he thinks he is the exception and is not "transphobic" but would not consider a trans woman as a partner, that would be different. So a group attacks a few lesbians, and they are the oppressed here, the world has gone mad.

Social media is generally shite for proper conversations on this subject.

Agreed, the only time I have discussed it in depth is via messages not on my newsfeed with people who now live far away from me. Face to face is much better.

people who know me well enough are aware that I am a thoughtful person who tends to research and isn't afraid of changing my mind

I don't have many FB friends. I dislike it. I've raised the subject once and one friend was very polite but disagreed.

It's my intention to raise it with her when I next see her in person and have a proper conversation about it.

Social media is generally shite for proper conversations on this subject.

I am sorry to admit to it but I no longer share anything about any sort of feminism on Facebook. I got abused, un-Friended, removed from a couple of totally unrelated groups and blocked after sharing one link to a GC site.

I do kind of get that particularly with your mutual friend but I've come to the conclusion if people un-friend me because of this, they possibly aren't people I should be friends with. To be clear, I would expect people I respect who like and know me to ask me about it rather than just react in a knee jerk fashion when they know 'hatred' or whatever they think it is just isn't me, people who know me well enough are aware that I am a thoughtful person who tends to research and isn't afraid of changing my mind - that should be enough for them to at least ask questions. I have had people do that and respectfully disagree with me. Anyone acting abusive or wanting to distance themselves from me are probably people I'm better off without on social media.

I do understand that approach isn't' for everyone and if you are in hobby groups etc. you would want to be cautious. I'm just personally tired of being cautious and tired of being nice.

I am sorry to admit to it but I no longer share anything about any sort of feminism on Facebook.
I got abused, un-Friended, removed from a couple of totally unrelated groups and blocked after sharing one link to a GC site.
The issue would seem to be that I am friends with, and share many groups in common with, a trans-identifying man and everyone else is so very keen to take the line of 'Oooooh! I'm so woke and cool, I have a transwoman friend'
The constant pressure over several days to publicly declare that Transwomen Are Women' led me to delete Messenger off my phone. Ironically I think 'Lauren' would be cool about it.

*shakes head, sorrowfully

Don't you love it when they've had a toke of the woke smoke?

I like this phrase a lot

Upon saying that Terf is a misogynistic term he replied with “if your feminism excludes trans women then you’re being misogynistic’ hmm

The only response to this is if YOUR intersectionality doesn't center biological women then it isn't actually feminism.

Feminism proper does NOT center men (and it can't be called trans exclusionary because it very firmly includes transmen) the clue is in the bloody name. I'm not kidding when I say anyone calling women defending their rights 'Terfs' will be considered a misogynist by me, male, female or identifying as a goat.

Dunno about you, QueenArseClangers, but I couldn't stay friends with a man who could say such vile things. He's disgusting.

Would he have sex with a lady dick? Or are TW only W when he's not expected to put his money where his mouth would have to go?

Too late now but fucking TERFS could have just been answered with fucking penises and a swift cock block.

I can't even be arsed arguing these days.

I take it he'd be perfectly happy to have sex with a transwoman and their lady penis.

Wow a corrective sex advocate.

Nice.

That's spectacular homophobic support for the cotton ceiling.

@Tyrotoxicity 'toke of the woke smoke' came to me the day after I tore a ligament in my hip and was high on codeine. I was trying to have a conversation with DH about TRAs and their supporters, and came out with it, then laughed hysterically at myself until I fell asleep. He reminded me of it yesterday and now I'm going to use it as much as I possibly can

Unfortunately, a chap who I know and is quite ‘woke’ has commented with the sentence ‘Fucking Terfs’.

I'd go to town on how they were being abusive to me and ask them to explain why they think it's OK to behave like that towards someone they regard as a friend.

It is not OK to speak to a friend like that even if you disagree with them.

I'd then go on about power and how it's all about women being asked to defer to men and how he was clearly demonstrating that.

It comes back to the 'special status' of transwomen.

'Transwomen are women' but women can not be transwomen so they are not equal and the same.

Oh and I'd have a good rant about toxic masculinity and the erasure of anyone gender non-conforming to force them to fit gender stereotypes and how incredibly sexist the whole thing is.

Before turning to Stonewall's homophobic definition of homosexual and how this is causing the problem as sex has been replaced by gender.

And I'd do it all in one great big long post in the full awareness that this dickwad was certain to spontaneously combust and block me, so I've only got one shot at getting my point across.

The hope would be to pre empt the drivel and show him up for the sexist woke unthinking prick he is.

I'm well past the whole 'be nice' stuff when you've just been aggressively attacked in an abusive manner.