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to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

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AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 22:13

I've been redirected here from the AIBU board.

So, we've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff. hmm

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

Can I add a pronoun that is PA enough to not get me sacked?

I think it's all bollocks.

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bingoitsadingo · 11/07/2019 11:47

@MamaOomMowWow that's a brilliant response

RoyalCorgi · 11/07/2019 11:12

Have said this on another thread, but just sign off with "My preferred pronouns are: I, me, mine."

ZebrasAreBras · 11/07/2019 10:54

ChattyLion, that's weird - it's just the archive of Barracker's article "Pronouns are Rohypnol".

Perhaps the word "rohypnol" trigger something?

ChattyLion · 11/07/2019 10:37

Yes I would really like to know if this is official advice from someone. It’s massively invasive if you take your privacy in any way seriously and it’s very sinister as a way of outing the TERFs at work.

ChattyLion · 11/07/2019 10:34

‘Zebras I got a weird age warning when I clicked your link

ZebrasAreBras · 11/07/2019 10:31

I refused to do it and still would - if nothing else because it would require me to classify every email as ‘highly confidential’ as my pronouns are sensitive personal data about my sex, gender reassignment status and political beliefs.

Yes. That's the way to do it. Passive aggressiveness mixed in with a dash of "beat them at their own game".

This pronouns nonsense is such a load of crap - I can't believe women have been fighting for decades for some nod towards equality in the workplace, and we're still not there yet. But a few people decide they "identify" as the opposite sex, and everyone's all over it Hmm

This is an excellent article about why we need to care about pronouns.

TirisfalPumpkin · 11/07/2019 10:09

My work tried to introduce this in rather mandatory-sounding language, then quickly backtracked to ‘its entirely optional and just a suggestion’

I refused to do it and still would - if nothing else because it would require me to classify every email as ‘highly confidential’ as my pronouns are sensitive personal data about my sex, gender reassignment status and political beliefs.

vaginafetishist · 11/07/2019 10:08

I wonder if this is something Stonewall advise in their workplace training?

I disagree with GCAcademic's suggestion as I think anything which validates the idea of 'gender' and the idea of 'woman' being an identity plays right into trans ideology.

ilovesocks · 11/07/2019 10:03

People have started putting this in their signature at my work. I'm waiting for us all to be asked to do it. I won't be doing it, even if I am asked to.

AbsintheFriends · 11/07/2019 10:01

It's pretty sinister, really. I mean, all of this is being introduced under a great big shiny rainbow banner of inclusiveness and wokery, but employers asking for totally extraneous evidence of people's personal feelings and beliefs leaves everyone more vulnerable, according to the prevailing ideology of the day.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/07/2019 09:39

I wonder why. I’ve never sent an email referring to the recipient as he/she/they.

thatdamnwoman · 11/07/2019 09:38

When they put you on the line and tell you you've got to make up your mind about your pronouns and do it now, how about saying that this whole gender thing has sent you over the edge because actually, you've never really thought of yourself as being a woman, you just are a woman, or at least that's how it felt until they suggested that you aren't necessarily... It's doing your head in and you don't know what or who you are, you need help. And then have a month off sick for stress caused by the company undermining your sense of self.

Or I'd say that people can call me whatever they want pronounwise and that having never been called 'Mr' and 'he' in my life, it will be interesting to see if people start doing that now.

ChattyLion · 11/07/2019 09:35

You could either ignore it (there is no established legal right that anyone on here can find, to force anyone else to declare pronouns against their will)

Or you could actively resist if you feel safe to do so by pointing to the precedent set by the Northern Irish ‘Gay Cake’ case which established that it’s not legal to try to compel someone’s adherence to a belief that they don’t share.

This thread covers the same issues and links to previous threads on the same.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3574450-Work-policy-coming-in-AIBU

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 11/07/2019 08:49

I'd refuse point blank to do it, and cite that I have no desire to draw attention to my sex in a sexist workplace.

MamaOomMowWow · 11/07/2019 08:45

Probably ignore it and it will go away. I think if someone challenged me I would say something like the following:

"I have not included preferred pronouns in my email signature as I do not have any. I believe that people usually use "She/Her" when referring to me because my sex is female, but I do not prefer them over others and would not be offended if referred to as "He/Him" for example. I do not personally have a sense of gender identity in relation to myself.

Additionally, I am concerned that this may have a negative impact on female staff who use "She/Her" due to unconscious bias that may arise when attention is drawn to the sex of the email's sender. I also have concerns that this may have a negative impact on anyone who is questioning their gender identity but has not yet decided whether they wish to change their pronouns."

AleFailTrail · 10/07/2019 23:50

I’m going to repeat what I put on a similar thread. If I’m ever asked to do anything this wankerish.

Coffee,black,no sugar/tea,black,two sugars/tea,earl grey, hot

Babdoc · 10/07/2019 23:16

I always found that, if you ignored a stupid diktat from management long enough, they would forget about it and start some new crap to signal their trendy virtuous wokeness.
I wouldn’t put any pronouns on your emails, OP. Don’t encourage their stupidity.

AlunWynsKnee · 10/07/2019 23:15

It's such nonsense. What circumstances couldn't you just use someone's name?
You say you to the person.

GCAcademic · 10/07/2019 23:10

GCAcademic's answer is pretty much perfect, except it's a bias against women not towards them!

Oops Blush Thanks for spotting that unfortunate mistake!

JoyceJeffries · 10/07/2019 23:09

Do it for a couple of weeks and then “forget”

Passive aggressiveness is your friend here.

HepzibahGreen · 10/07/2019 23:08

The whole thing actually makes me fucking angry. For years I worked in a place with 1 female toilet on the other side of the (massive) site from all the actual women and nobody cared. All the managers were men. Whatevs. Women wern't taken seriously. Who gives a shit.
Oh but a tiny minority of men want validation..the whole company has to pander? Fuck off.

Popchyk · 10/07/2019 23:07

I'd leave it for a bit and not change my email signature.

If you come under pressure, then just reply to the email stating that you are gender-free which means that you do not have preferred pronouns.

And leave it there.

They won't push back on you because questioning a member of staff about their self-defined gender identity is not a road that they want to go down.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/07/2019 23:04

GCAcademic's answer is pretty much perfect, except it's a bias against women not towards them!
And as I work for a science based company, if the matter ever arises (I'm hoping it doesn't) I'd dare to use 'sex' rather than 'gender'.

HepzibahGreen · 10/07/2019 23:02

Yes its bad enough being a woman in a lot of industries without hammering the point home.
If i had to I would say my pronouns are "His Majesty" and "Beyonce".
That'll confuse the fuckers.

SarahTancredi · 10/07/2019 23:01

To your name

Ffs autocorrect Blush