Y chromosome

It's been a while since I studied Biology, but I'm not sure that makes sense.

Yes that's what I'm saying. Females need Y people so that their daughters will evolve. With parthenogenesis females wouldn't evolve with each generation. The whole point of males is so that females evolve from generation to generation. Males themselves, however, not only do not evolve, but actually do the opposite and "become more streamlined" with each generation

Ys, however, don't evolve themselves

No, it takes two sexes for evolution to work on sexually reproducing species. But since the Y is only passed down the male line, and produced during the generation of sperm, mutations in the Y chromosome occur in the male.

laws were made on the basis women were inferior -- and women's inferiority was the justification for all sorts . Well this is feminist history 101. It's boring and annoying to make me go over it on a feminist board

Sheesh men go on about women being inferior all the time, I guess you haven't been on twitter lately

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Please read my post bellow about scientist Cordelia Fine and her excellent book detailing all the experiments male scientists have conducted over the centuries in their endless quest to prove women are inferior to men

Are you a biologist sakura?

I mean if you're going to base the justification of a political system of oppression like patriarchy on women's i inherent inferiority you should surely not get defensive when women discover that biologically they are not inferior at all, far from it

Who the hell is saying women are inferior? You really seem invested in the idea that one group is superior to the other. Why is that?

Nobody is saying the Y isn't essential for reproduction, in fact the whole point of having Y people is so that females can evolve. Ys, however, don't evolve themselves

Look, fish that live in caves will lose their eyes eventually. They are not ‘degenerate’. They do not ‘devolve’. Eyes aren’t merely useless in the dark, they are vulnerable to damage. Losing their eyes isn’t going backwards, it is evolution. Just like when the ancestors of whales and dolphins went back into the sea and their legs evolved into fish-like flippers.

The Y chromosome is evolving. Genes that can’t be passed on to daughters are not merely superfluous, they are prone to damage in much the same way a cave fish’s eye would be. This is streamlining, not degeneracy.

Maybe someone can explain how we would reproduce naturally without the Y chromosome, because if there isn’t, there’s no way for natural selection to select it out.

Apparently in 2011, opinion was fairly evenly divided in whether the Y chromosome was headed for complete degradation, or whether it had managed to out the brakes on, but the male/female expert split definitely suggests some lack of objectivity...

Report from the 18th International Chromosome Conference

I personally don't think women are superior to men, but I do understand why some women might given what we know about the Y

I mean if you're going to base the justification of a political system of oppression like patriarchy on women's i inherent inferiority you should surely not get defensive when women discover that biologically they are not inferior at all, far from it

Nope the facts I've read about the Y are completely scientific. The Y is in a terrible state and I just find it ironic because men are so convinced they're superior

Not what I've read

Then you read something politically motivated, not scientific.

There’s a long history of people using words like ‘degenerate’ to describe people they think are genetically inferior.

You can tell which subjects are not allowed by the amount of derailers and mansplainers they get

When has discussion of the Y chromosome been off limits here? The biological basis of sex is central to the majority of threads.

That doesn't mean we have to ignore the actual science behind it all.

You can always tell which topics are no go and it's always illuminating

Mary Daly was totally right, of course.

Women really aren't allowed to discuss this particular topic

Sakura - I say this in the nicest possible way - WTAF are you on about?

If we're not even allowed thought crimes you can imagine how hard it is for women to organize protest riots for any cause. That's how tight the noose is

No

Thank goodness for that.

And the trans idea that anyone can be a woman because women are incomplete humans, not really defineable in their own right--> such a reversal

In Cordelia Fine's Delusions of Gender she goes through , in meticulous detail, the experiments of male scientists who wished to prove beyond all doubt that men were the superior sex. It make for very interesting reading-- literally the lengths men have gone to over the centuries to convince themselves, and women, that they were superior. The experiments were all "bad science" of course, without proper controls and so on. They used similar experiments to "prove" black people were inferior

Knowledge about the degraded Y kind of knocks all those efforts on the head

No but women might be having thought crimes by refusing to accept they are the inferior sex