Y chromosome

And social scientists and scientists need to do proper research into the propensity for violence and perversion in male humans. Do Cordelia Fine or Gina Rippon even address this? We all know it exists, we just pretend that there's no reason to investigate it.

"You have claimed that the ‘degradation’ of the Y chromosome causes male violence as it spirals down to extinction. "

No I haven't. You're confusing my posts with Sakura's.

Men aren't exactly helping themselves either. It appears the environment they have created is having a deleterious effect on their fertility

What has any of this to do with anything we are talking about? It’s just random bollocks now.

You have claimed that the ‘degradation’ of the Y chromosome causes male violence as it spirals down to extinction.

It’s like you genuinely believe something is rotting and it is manifesting as a spiritual degradation.

Back this up.

I’m not asking you to name someone who believes it, I am asking you to present an argument to support this.

Her lab researches into human beings as well, including the Y chromosome in men, if you missed that. Yes you sound extremely misogynistic.

More positives from her work:

"Her work has led to discoveries that have helped improve understanding of human disorders involving the immune system and blood proteins as well as the strange contagious cancer that has been threatening the Tasmanian devil with extinction."

www.theguardian.com/science/2017/oct/18/jenny-graves-wins-australias-250000-prime-ministers-prize-for-science

Guess those koalas have something to say to us after all. What have you done by the way? Anything as good as that? Or is it just "proceeding with science" on Mumsnet?

I'm not linking it to the degradation of the Y chromosome. I've already said that. I said I was linking it to the Y chromosome full stop, whether it's degraded or not.

It's fuck all like race science. Men are the oppressors in all sorts of ghastly ways, not the oppressed. Men are horrifically violent across cultures and across time, whilst women aren't. Sexual perversions are almost uniquely male too. There's something going on there and "society" doesn't answer the question in the slightest. It appears to be innate, hence genetic.

And that shit about "sticking a finger up a koala's butt' - way to go degrading and diminishing the achievements of a distinguished and successful female scientist. Are you finding it hard to keep the misogyny in check?

Oh, yes, I must be a misogynist because I don’t take the word of a wallaby doctor over people like Cordelia Fine and Gina Rippon who say there are no innate differences in male and female behaviours. But what do they know, they’ve only looked at research in humans and out closest relatives, not animals so far removed from us biologically that they don’t even have a placenta.

Men aren't exactly helping themselves either. It appears the environment they have created is having a deleterious effect on their fertility:

www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/10/sperm-counts-continue-to-fall/572794/

All I’m seeing is lusts of shitty things men did and no attempt whatsoever at linking it causally with the ‘degradation’ of the Y chromosome. Endlessly reiterating your dislike of men makes your claims about the Y chromosome less and less credible.

And yes, it is like race science. It’s like people reeling off accounts of genocide in Rwanda or the crime stats in the US to defend the proposition that black people are genetically inferior.

We're not proceeding with science here, we're having a discussion. I have even less faith in your scientific qualifications if you're confusing a chat on a talkboard with actual science.

You just use different terminology from her ("streamlined" - that's a PR job if I ever saw one). Given she actually did the research and wrote the paper on it and is an expert in the field, I'm more inclined to listen to her than you.

And that shit about "sticking a finger up a koala's butt' - way to go degrading and diminishing the achievements of a distinguished and successful female scientist. Are you finding it hard to keep the misogyny in check? Like I said your slip is showing.

LOL she's an emeritus professor in ecology and evolution and she's studied the Y chromosome directly. Do your qualifications match that?

It’s still a copy and paste job of her biography. It isn’t an answer to my questions. That isn’t how science proceeds.

We don’t go ‘Look at my certificates; I’m obviously right.’ I don’t care if she spent 50 years sticking her finger up a koala’s butt. She’s still wrong.

If you're talking about Sally Hines, then there is no comparison between her and Jenny Graves. Graves is a highly esteemed and successful scientist and academic in her field. Sally Hines, on the other hand, has been promoted because she harms women.

There are few places to hide in science, given that other scientists will be assessing your work. And a whole lot of contrarians on FWR it appears.

That was not directed at Graves. Sorry. It is directed at another well known (on this board) professor who writes total bollocks and has singlehandedly reduced my previously high regard for academia. A glowing CV is not enough for me to accept someone's conclusions without some further digging.

How is her research inane and verifiably incorrect drivel TheBullshit? Please elaborate.

Contrary to early impressions, this has actually been quite an informative thread.

And just to note that one of the things FWR has taught me is not to assume someone is correct just because they are a professor. Being a professor does not stop you writing inane and verifiably incorrect drivel being mistaken.

Here's another example. Up until 1991 it was legal in the UK for men to rape their wives. Men wanted it that way - their own wives, who they allegedly married because they loved them. It was feminists who got the law changed, not men.

What is wrong with men that they would even countenance this?

I think I am. I'm not sure you are though. Society isn't separated from men and their natures. Patriarchal society is an expression of it.

No, that question was do you know what "nurture" means in this context titchy? Not quite clear obviously.

Once again, who created the society in this way that allows men free rein to commit acts of appalling violence. They even institutionalise it in the form of the military. Why would a peaaceful non-violent person create a society in complete opposition to that?

And that society was created how tichty? By whom? Who's in charge of it? Who gets to decide what happens within it?

Not sure you're entirely familiar with the concept of society...

I find war, genocide, gynocide, rape, murder, weapons of mass destruction and all the other appalling things men do, bleak, but that's just me.

Do you titchy?

Obviously Still doesn't mean the root cause is genomic though. It's societal.

And that society was created how tichty? By whom? Who's in charge of it? Who gets to decide what happens within it?

And no I don't think "entitlement" leads to genocide. Do you really think it does?

Racism is a male invention BTW. Used to justify the genocides they commit.

An oppressed class (women) analysing the root cause of male violence and destruction of us is literally nothing like race science.

There are over 100 million missing women and girls in this world because of men's hatred of us and violence against us and you're likening me asking why it's happening, to the arguments of racial supremacy.

I find war, genocide, gynocide, rape, murder, weapons of mass destruction and all the other appalling things men do, bleak, but that's just me.

Do you titchy?

you don't think that the sense of entitlement men have leads to some of them being violent?

i find biological determinism so bleak (as well as being demonstrable bollocks in the case of race science)

Why would anybody nurture violence into men when it wasn't there before?

Do you understand what 'nurture' in this context means?

If there's a non-biological reason for men behaving the way they do I'd be happy to hear it

Societal.

Next.