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"Your pronouns"

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bingoitsadingo · 08/07/2019 14:06

I've seen on a number of threads discussing being asked for your pronouns, people referencing research/studies that shows that when women are reminded of their gender or sex, their performance drops, or that when other people are reminded/told that X is a woman, they treat them differently, etc. Could anyone direct me to any of these please? I've been searching but struggled to find much.

I've noticed professionally that pronouns are creeping more and more into peoples email signatures, twitter bios, etc, so would really appreciate some resources to back up why I think this is a terrible idea for women generally, as I can't imagine it will be long before I'm asked to do the same

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EverardDigby · 08/07/2019 19:59

Surely it backfires too, I refuse to listen to a Podcast that completely unnecessarily states pronouns in the blurb and at the beginning of each episode.

DuMondeB · 08/07/2019 19:57

I quite often use initial-surname - JK Rowling style.

Having to put your pronouns on company emails blows that out of the water.

Yet another change that has the potential to make life harder for women. It’s bollocks.

Weezol · 08/07/2019 19:56

I don’t want to put ‘my’ pronouns on my email signature but there is more and more pressure to do so from certain sections of our organisation.

I'd start identifying as pronoun fluid. Fuck 'em.

WombOfOnesOwn · 08/07/2019 19:52

From your title I thought you'd be like me. You see, I only accept "you/your/yourself" pronouns used about me by others. I understand this may be confusing when discussing me in the third person with someone else, but this is an important issue for me. Daily life is very hard with all the times people around me get this mixed up and say it's "difficult" or "doesn't obey the rules of grammar."

They already use "you/your" every day but somehow it's impossible to make sure to do it for me, every time? Ridiculous and discriminatory.

My biography will look rather unusual, it is true, but that's a small price to pay for validating the identity of people who have too long been ignored and mistreated. Think about it: "second person"? That's practically "second-class citizen." You deserve better, and so do you and you and all the other people like me and you.

stillworkingitout · 08/07/2019 19:47

Thanks @JackyHolyoake I’m not going to, and they’re not people who can put any real pressure on me, just the more woke areas of our organisation trying to get people to conform to their way of thinking

JackyHolyoake · 08/07/2019 19:40

I don’t want to put ‘my’ pronouns on my email signature but there is more and more pressure to do so from certain sections of our organisation.

Thought and speech cannot be compelled ... both are fundamental human rights.

See Articles 18 and 19 of Universal Declaration if Human Rights:

www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Imnobody4 · 08/07/2019 19:35

Think this is a really good point.
Stereotype threat decreases performance on any task that involves groups and fields of diversity. Stereotype threat reduces achievement on tests in situations where the stereotypes are relevant.
(Ex. Academic environments, test performances, men vs. women in: math, driving, sports, professional fields. Homosexual men in childcare, old people and their memories, and Asians in math.)
If in a work situation women are asked to focus on their gender it could have negative effects especially in predominantly male situations. Imagine going round the room and being asked to declare your ethnicity.

stillworkingitout · 08/07/2019 19:31

Pronouns are creeping in more and more at my workplace. I don’t want to put ‘my’ pronouns on my email signature but there is more and more pressure to do so from certain sections of our organisation.

JellySlice · 08/07/2019 19:28

3rd person pronouns are chosen by the speaker to describe how they perceive the person they reference. They do not 'belong' to the person being referenced.

EverardDigby · 08/07/2019 17:40

Here's one journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-9280.00111

Goosefoot · 08/07/2019 17:36

The whole premise is flawed, pronouns don't belong to individuals.

sakura184 · 08/07/2019 16:46

Slightly off topic but my name is welsh and I spells a bit like Mayor. For a while when writing emails for work and internships and if the recipient was foreign they would assume my first name was some type of male honorific and I saw firsthand how networking worked for men: men were so nice to me until they worked out I was female in which case the lovely emails abruptly stopped

sackrifice · 08/07/2019 16:21

There was a bit of a desktop research where a chap and his female colleague switched names and sexes on emails for a week. It was quite a notable experience for him.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/07/2019 16:04

I am fairly sure Cordelia Fine covers this in Delusions of Gender and she is pretty good with her referencing so you should find details in there.

Forgotthebins · 08/07/2019 14:40

One example: www.apa.org/research/action/stereotype