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Antinatalism has a point but it upsets me

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sakura184 · 08/07/2019 11:58

So I've been involved in feminism for many years.
I got involved in quite a radical group and as time went on I learned about antinatalism.

These radical women very much despise mothers and it didn't feel any different to the run of the mill patriarchal undermining and despising of mothers.

But they do have a point. They say we shouldn't have had babies at late stage patriarchy because we can't protect our children, the environment is polluted beyond all repair, that women have lost their access to clean and plentiful food and water. We have given birth under inhumane conditions and for this we should experience a deep guilt. One said "I can't imagine being able to live with myself after doing something so heinous".

Anyway i find it upsetting and was just hoping for maybe some sort of support thread or something. I've given birth twice and only now I do see that the antinatalist feminists have a point but obviously it's too late for me to change what I've done. They think women who gave birth are either stupid or evil beyond compareSad

How to carry on, in regard to what kind of future our children have. I wish we didn't live under patriarchy, and could raise our children safely and happily.

The antinatalsits would probably say this is a horrible, self indulgent thread. That mothers just should suck it up and live with the guilt, but I can honestly say I had no idea how bad things were when I decided to have children and I think most mothers are like me.

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 08/07/2019 12:32

Every species does its upmost to survive. It’s a natural thing. We’ve just done it recklessly and with no thought for our environment or other sentient beings... or often for each other! We’re a miserable lot for sure but anti natalism is a bit far for me.

Ringdonna · 08/07/2019 12:31

What negative rubbish.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 08/07/2019 12:30

I’ve had a handful of interactions with anti natalists and I find their argument mostly nonsense and their delivery deliberately provocative and unkind- one called my child a ‘fuck trophy’. Doesn’t mean they’d all say that, just that is my experience with every one I’ve interacted with, very negative.

FeministCat · 08/07/2019 12:27

Antinatalism is not just “one” set of beliefs. An antinatalist can hold certain beliefs behind their antinatalism, and not certain beliefs another antinatalist would.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

I would call myself antinatalist due to my beliefs about the harm to animals and environment (and to each other) we as a human population inflict, and continue to inflict as our population grows. Even if it has zero growth from now on in the damage is irreversible as long as we are around. I don’t believe we as humans are so special above all else that we ought to survive as a species where we have caused the extinction of so many others. I don’t see a human extinction event as a “negative” but as a natural outcome of being temporary visitors to this earth (ie why are we more deserving of permanent life here than any other species?), and an outcome that we have hastened by our own actions. I just hope we don’t take down more animals and other life as we do go out (which I also feel is unrealistic).

It doesn’t mean I despise mothers. It does not mean I resent my own mother for giving birth to me. It does not mean I feel mothers should be shamed for giving birth. I don’t think mothers are stupid or evil! I am blessed to have family family and friends who are mothers and I adore them and do not resent their choices.

For me, it’s all about promoting conscious decisions going forward. Ensure your children know that parenthood is a choice, and one they can and should make consciously considering their own life goals but also their values (ie which may be environmental, which may be independence from responsibilities of children, etc).

GarakIsMySweetheart · 08/07/2019 12:26

I can honestly say I had no idea how bad things were when I decided to have children and I think most mothers are like me.

I agree. If I could have my time again, I wouldn't have had them. For their own sakes.

They have both said they don't want children for these reasons. If I'm honest, I hope they both stick to that. For their sakes.

SnuggyBuggy · 08/07/2019 12:20

Feminism should also be looking at how motherhood is regarded by society

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