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Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (Thread title edited by MNHQ)

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Whackitupto200 · 08/07/2019 09:27

JY’s parent sounds like an absolute loon. It would explain a lot.

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Forgotthebins · 10/07/2019 20:16

Yes - huge thanks @GoinglikeElsie and hope you're ok.

RiotAndAlarum · 10/07/2019 19:39

I've also requested to follow goinglikeelsie (along with hundreds of others, I should think). Elsie, if you're reading MN, thank you for your work. Reporting like this is the first draft of history.

Natsku · 10/07/2019 18:47

I've requested to follow, wish I had done it earlier

ThinkWittyThoughts · 10/07/2019 18:27

StopthePlanet beat me to it.

I think I need to set up a GC twitter account...

StopThePlanet · 10/07/2019 18:26

Forgot to mention... BIG THANK YOU to goinglikeelsie for your fantastic work!!!!!!!

StopThePlanet · 10/07/2019 18:24

twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1148630107570880512

Can only see tweets now if logged into Twitter & following... I understand why she had to protect herself - inconvenient though for those of us that avoid actively engaging (beyond lurking) Twitterverse as a rule.

miri1985 · 10/07/2019 18:05

does anyone know when the final result of the cases will be?

According to their website it can take up to 6 months for a decision after a hearing (www.bchrt.bc.ca/law-library/faqs/complaint-process/index.htm)

So if part 3 of the case is next week, the latest that it would be mid January next year (but hopefully sooner especially if JY has so many other cases in the pipeline)

TurboTeddy · 10/07/2019 17:27

I've seen people comparing this to a nurses who refuse to treat male patients

If a male patient behaved in a creepy or inappropriate way then they would not be denied care but it would most likely be provided by a male nurse. The nurses code of conduct does not require them to tolerate sexual harassment from patients.

Redshoeblueshoe · 10/07/2019 17:25

I have never known a nurse refuse to treat male patients

jhiouioholg · 10/07/2019 16:44

does anyone know when the final result of the cases will be?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/07/2019 16:36

I've seen people comparing this to a nurses who refuse to treat male patients

well those people are loonies

having your hair ripped out with hot wax is hardly the same as medical care

jhiouioholg · 10/07/2019 15:57
  • manzillian rather, not mankini :p
jhiouioholg · 10/07/2019 15:57

I don't think JY will win, but I think it will be on the basis of the fact the women weren't qualified to do a mankini, or on religious grounds - but all women should be able to say no.

I've seen people comparing this to a nurses who refuse to treat male patients.

FannyCann · 10/07/2019 15:43

That's worrying Bernard

I've been waiting for a backlash and attempts to silence her.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/07/2019 14:41

also seems like efforts are being made to silence the tweeter

twitter.com/HJJoyceEcon/status/1148906343186780161

Flowers for Helen Joyce, a true example of the difference that can be made to women by having women in positions of power and influence

Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (Thread title edited by MNHQ)
BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/07/2019 14:39

this one

twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1148630107570880512

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 10/07/2019 14:34

Where’s the twitter thread?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/07/2019 14:21

Sorry, from the Twitter thread

drspouse · 10/07/2019 14:14

Is the lawyer also tweeting or is this in the original Twitter thread?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/07/2019 13:50

I dunno about the law school thing being linked to this

it seems to me that the law school wanted to control their students sex lives, something completely unrelated to their ability or fitness to practise law

anyway, a bit of a derail, sorry

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/07/2019 13:48

a pleasing update from the second woman's lwayer:

- lawyer will ask for costs
- will ask Member to lift pub ban
- will ask Member to dismiss case

i hope the member agrees to all 3. I'm sure that JY has serious mental health issues, but he's also a misogynist, racist, manipulative , so I have run out of sympathy

Goosefoot · 10/07/2019 13:24

My guess is that he will not win, crazy as this is, I think it will quietly swept under the rug.

The law school thing however was really extremely serious and was not swept under the rug, and it is the mindset that allows things like this to happen.

LeastLikelyTo · 10/07/2019 13:22

I mean Canada has allowed this individual to sue 16 women, 16 fucking women, because they won't touch his genitals.
It's beyond awful

Every single thing about this case is breathtaking and almost distracts from this- what it is, at its vile core of hatred towards women.

nauticant · 10/07/2019 13:20

Self-ID its intersectionality writ large. It's not about the ID that's adopted, after all, people perceived to be women tend to be at the bottom of the heap, and it's not about the person adopting the ID, after all, a woman can't just adopt an identity and get to the top of the heap. How a particular self-ID goes depends on the intersections of the person and the ID.

An example: self-ID operates for a MtF person in a very different way to the way it operates for an FtM person.

miri1985 · 10/07/2019 13:16

I'm really interested to see if the 3rd case is also a religious/immigrant/from a different culture woman. A woman shouldn't have to excuse their boundaries through religion/culture. I get why its being argued this way because the women so far have been religious and from different cultures but I want JY to be told no means no even if its an atheist whose family has been in Canada for generations.

The tweets are fascinating, JY is actually trying to assert that this poor woman is a liar because a flier says waxing services 24 hours a day and her facebook says 10-6. JY really shouldn't try and "gotcha" people when refusing to answer basic questions about the area on the body in question for waxing.

"JY - male on DL at time, had to have SRS to change at that time, female on BC, won't answer re original BC - has been destroyed" If JY won't state that original BC did not say female, how can protected status of transgender be established?

The tribunal should not be letting JY get away without answering so many fundamental questions. The waxers would in no way get away with not answering such important questions. Its ridiculous, they should have cancelled the whole thing when JY refused to answer questions about the waxing area/tampons/periods in the first hearing.

I'm actually worried JY will win (still hope common sense will prevail) but I've been doing some reading and the Canadian Supreme Court has ruled that LGBT rights trump religious rights (www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44501139) and while generally something like a personal service is very different than a law school, I'm still worried.