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Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (Thread title edited by MNHQ)

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Whackitupto200 · 08/07/2019 09:27

JY’s parent sounds like an absolute loon. It would explain a lot.

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OhtheHillsareAlive · 15/07/2019 20:35

Well quite, *. But we are waaaaay beyond logic and common sense in this case.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/07/2019 15:27

Surely excruciating pain in the testicles would be the antithesis ‘lady feels’? Confused

OldCrone · 15/07/2019 14:14

I don't know if this has been linked to on here yet. I found it from a link in the gendertrending article that Debbie linked to earlier. I haven't read it all - it's quite long and full of legal detail which is hard to follow. It's about the limits put on publication of the proceedings, but there's also a lot of background about JY's complaints against the waxing salons.

www.bchrt.bc.ca/shareddocs/decisions/2019/may/106_JY_v_Various_Waxing_Salons_2019_BCHRT_106.pdf

OhtheHillsareAlive · 15/07/2019 14:09

How is it gender affirming to get your balls waxed when women do not have them?

Because they are LADY balls. So a refusal to wax him because he is a man Is what he’s complaining about.

Because “I’m a laydee, you know”

littlbrowndog · 15/07/2019 13:26

l-ou-ise.com/breaking-silence

Michelleoftheresistance · 15/07/2019 13:11

And frankly the more I read about this case, the more I see a number of things the complainant is in critical need of: waxing isn't high on that long list.

Michelleoftheresistance · 15/07/2019 13:09

And as I mentioned up thread: if this insane procedings results in trying to compel people working from home to accept creepy and abusive clients of a sex they are not willing to work with then they'll do what many people in holistic/beauty care working from home already do, and they'll stop advertising.

Many already work only with friends, family, long term clients, friends of friends and family. No adverts, no publicity, no unknown/phone or email client contacts. This can't be prevented. It's just bloody awful that women are worthy of so little respect that they have to provide services by women for women underground to in order to escape legal compulsion to be abused by creepy people with penises.

Michelleoftheresistance · 15/07/2019 13:06

The most that can result of this is surely an edict that from hence forth, no one may claim to offer waxing services unless they're willing to wax mixed sex clients. (And apparently regardless of the client's creepy behaviour too.)

So what will happen is a mass exodus of people from the waxing profession. They'll just find other work. JY will be no better off. He can legally force the horse to water in the Batshit world Canada has become, but no one can force the horse to drink. Or to stay in a job and carry out an activity as part of it that they don't agree or wish to do.

SnuggyBuggy · 15/07/2019 13:05

This is why I don't like how all these different things just get lumped together

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 15/07/2019 12:55

If you were gender dysphoric

JY isn't gender dysphoric.

JY has a period and tampon fetish and gets turned on with the whole idea of having a period, he thinks this is how women feel.
His body is fine.

SnuggyBuggy · 15/07/2019 12:52

That's what I don't get. If you were gender dysphoric wouldn't you be more likely to want to act as if your "wrong" genitals didn't exist and have as little to do with them as possible.

AlessandraAsteriti · 15/07/2019 12:49

How is it gender affirming to get your balls waxed when women do not have them?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 15/07/2019 12:33

the media should be able to successfully appeal it on grounds of public interest.

That is of course, assuming they actually want to.

SophoclesTheFox · 15/07/2019 12:32

Just placemarking, really, as I can’t think of a thing to say about this that hasn’t already been said.

Oh, Canada.

PierreBezukov · 15/07/2019 12:29

Even if a blackout has been imposed by a corrupt and partial judge, the media should be able to successfully appeal it on grounds of public interest.

happydappy2 · 15/07/2019 12:22

Much as JY comes accross as unstable and unwell-I can't help wondering if they are being used as a puppet in all of this?

It worries me that certain young transwomen rose through the ranks in political parties here, where they are quite out of their depth. I know JY is older, but I still think they are open to being manipulated/encouraged.

TriptychDebbie · 15/07/2019 12:21

They're the judge in charge and have ordered the blackout. It's appalling.

This is a link to a blog that gives a timeline from when JY first started to get noticed. It starts with his predation of fans of the band Cimorelli. It makes for uncomfortable reading. He's been getting away with this behaviour for far too long.

l-ou-ise.com/breaking-silence

GrinitchSpinach · 15/07/2019 12:20

Oh crap sorry for correct sex pronoun in there. I was trying to be careful to type JY only, but it is a very difficult feat of cognitive dissonance when discussing male genitals!

GrinitchSpinach · 15/07/2019 12:19

There are indeed a number of mixed sex salons in the area, and JY has had JY’s parts handled at at least one of them: he left a positive online review for Foxy Box salon.

The human rights complaints are not about poor JY not finding anyone to wax JY’s male genitals. They are about his desire to force SPECIFIC UNCONSENTING women to touch JY’s genitals.

terfsandwich · 15/07/2019 12:15

I'm confused. Is Cousineau the current member in these hearings? And is they a cunty woman?

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 15/07/2019 12:11

It's not just being 'treated as a woman' which is important to this person. It is 'being treated as a woman by people I suspect might have a problem with treating me as a woman so I can try and force my belief system onto them'.

In this case though, I suspect their belief system is not TWAW, but based on the pleasure they get out of making women feel uncomfortable.

OldCrone · 15/07/2019 11:54

The quote posted by Maniak doesn't make clear whether it's the result of having no hair in certain places which is considered to be 'gender affirming' or whether it's the actual waxing (by a woman, as a service which is only for women).

If it's the resulting lack of hair, this is clearly not gender affirming, since many women don't wax and some men do, so it's extremely sexist to suggest that this is 'gender affiming' with its implication that it's something all women do or should do.

If it's the 'treated as a woman' which is important, then it's clearly not 'critical' that someone gets 'gender affirming' treatment to help them 'feel like a woman'. Forcing someone to do something which makes them feel uncomfortable and threatened in order to prop up someone else's delusion is not 'critical', it's abuse.

I read somewhere (possibly in one of the earlier threads about this case) that there are a number of unisex waxing salons in the area where JY could have found someone willing to provide the service, but he chose to target these women instead.

HumberElla · 15/07/2019 11:52

Been following this and just came on to say I am appalled. I can’t actually find any other words just now. Just appalled and horrified that this is happening in so called civilised progressive society.

Datun · 15/07/2019 11:38

And don't get me started on 'gender affirming'. It needs a deafening rebuttal every time it's mentioned.

Utterly Neanderthal attitudes.

LangCleg · 15/07/2019 11:32

Does that make me a transman because I don't wax there?

I'm sure I must be by their logic. Never waxed in my life and gave up plucking things/shaving things years ago.

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