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Domestic Violence ‘ not a gender thing’

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 06/07/2019 08:06

Amongst other things, Steve Hansen the All Blacks coach, widely respected in NZ, has said domestic violence ‘isn’t a gender thing’ in NZ as he is trying to minimise the impact of including a player who committed it.

He’s not the only one who says this. I hear it a lot. I’ve only ever seen one poorly designed Dunedin study as ‘evidence’ both men and women abuse their partners.

I’d like to hear the thoughts of women here and if you know whether this is true or not.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/114049254/steve-hansen-backs-sevu-reece-says-domestic-violence-is-not-a-gender-thing

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Jiggles101 · 06/07/2019 09:02

Fermats that's exactly it, the reasons the uk stats are 7.9% of women and 4.2% of men are due to spurious counter allegations made by perpetrators which have to be recorded anyway. Also many perpetrators of abuse against men will also be men.

It's absolutely a gendered crime and always has been.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 06/07/2019 08:59

He’s correct. It’s a sex thing.

But Babdoc is right.

Babdoc · 06/07/2019 08:53

He is just trying to muddy the water. So what if his player was the only man who has ever hit a woman in the history of NZ, and all women regularly hit their partners? Would that make it okay to employ a violent criminal as a role model? And if not, then it isn’t ok now either.

Erythronium · 06/07/2019 08:51

This is the MRA trope that "women do it too". They love to claim women are as violent as men. Even if we did, which we don't, in this case a man did it, he caused the harm and should take the consequences. Women = collateral damage in the quest for great rugby.

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 06/07/2019 08:40

FermatsTheorem

That is my understanding too, most obvious in the self reporting ‘Dunedin study’ that men like Steve Hansen are relying on. I just want some hard stats or an organisation to speak out about it.

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FermatsTheorem · 06/07/2019 08:32

Hopefully someone who works in the field of DV will be along in a minute to provide links and stats, but my understanding is the following.

In the UK at any rate, you can massage the stats to make it look like the two sexes carry out DV if you do the following: count by number of "perpetrators" rather than incidents; and make no distinction between instigating violence and acting in self defence.

So - man repeatedly throttles, hits, raped partner = one "incident of DV". To protect herself, woman shoves him away on the occasion where she genuinely fears for her life = one "incident of DV". Oh look (MRA lies, damned lies and statistics reasoning), men and women commit DV at the same rate.

(Women do sometimes commit DV but are much less likely to.)

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 06/07/2019 08:30

He's within an ace of blaming the guy's mum there, isn't he?

Well the guy isn’t a New Zealander, he grew up in Fiji. They also have a problem of normalisation and acceptance of violence towards women. That’s why NZ Rugby send teams of people out there to educate them about it. But parenting in NZ has nothing to do with them hiring this Fijian guy, does it. How the fuck does he get away with it?! It’s enraging

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MrsBertBibby · 06/07/2019 08:27

He's within an ace of blaming the guy's mum there, isn't he?

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 06/07/2019 08:21

Yeah I don’t know why he felt the need to say this anyway? How does it make having an abuser in the team?

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MIdgebabe · 06/07/2019 08:17

It’s primarily a sex thing, the perpetrator is predominantly male. And it’s certainly a very bad thing. It would not be any better if it wasn’t.

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