Brighton Pride...omg

I'd like Spanner to be applied in cases when men "accidentally" kill women, not overturned.

I'm also interested in why overturning Spanner would be a good thing. It seems to me a good way of ensuring the BDSM activity is safe, sane and consensual

It seems that society's ingrained homophobia and sexism mean however that the ruling is applied to gay men, where 'sex game gone wrong' defenses often seem to get some traction in cases where men have murdered women

This is really disturbing

I know nonexistantfox has stropped off to Pride, so probably no answer will be forthcoming

Which is a shame because I really am interested in understanding quite why overturning Spanner requires linking up with child transition lobby groups.

fuck it, link fail

medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-qt-and-paedophilia-part-ii-ee94e132fb5d

Thanks for the link Neurotrash. At the risk of sounding like Camile Paglia, dear god we've become a decadent society, haven't we?

The complex field of sexual fetish has absolutely nothing to do with the important arena of lesbian and gay rights

Have you even heard of the lesbian sex wars?

so if I understand that link correctly, many radical feminists felt that BDSM was a means of reinforcing patriarchal control even when practised by lesbians.

and lib fems, including Pat Califa, whose name I recognised from [[https://medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-qt-and-paedophilia-part-ii-ee94e132fb5d Dr Em's queer theory article], and who looks to have had some pretty reprehensible views regarding 'children's sexuality', argued that choosy choice, if I want to do it it, it's fine, I'm totes not affected by being brought up in the patriarchy, there's no context to these decisions at all, no siree

I know nonexistantfox has stropped off to Pride, so probably no answer will be forthcoming

but I still don't see why this means I should be cool with having fetishists in bondage gear in my local play park

I don't fully understand that link I've linked as my background is not feminist theory.

I find the combination of the words lesbian with sex and war quite fucking shit if I'm honest.

Because fetish is such a large part of the gay male scene, in particular.
That translates to, " No criticism or reflective thinking at all, when it comes to gay culture. It's all wonderful!"

Will the NSPCC be at pride?

Lesbian sex wars aka feminists pointing out forms of commercial sex are abusive to women?

And please leave lavender out of it, there's a gardening section for that.

Wtf is GLBTQ?

http://www.glbtqarchive.com/ssh/lesbiansexxwarsS.pdf

The complex field of sexual fetish has absolutely nothing to do with the important arena of lesbian and gay rights

Except when no criticism of a marginalised community is permitted. That's how we ended up with the Rotherham child abuse scandal. Nobody wanted to be seen as racist or Islamophobic.

They are determined to sexualise children. It feels like this has been snuck in and gained a huge chunk of ground recently. I sincerely hope this is short-lived and people come to their senses soon

You only have to read through Peter Tatchell's pronouncements to see this is the case. It is all about validating homosexual male culture.

Why is there a separate Trans Pride a couple of weeks before Brighton Pride? The main event is LGBT+ surely?

I don’t understand why sexual fetish groups are trying to muscle in on pride events. The world is losing the plot 😡

Because fetish is such a large part of the gay male scene, in particular.
That translates to, " No criticism or reflective thinking at all, when it comes to gay culture. It's all wonderful!"

If there is precedent to say you can't consent to GBH, how come men are saying women consent to acts leading to their actual death during 'sex games gone wrong'?

Christ Almighty I feel sick.

We CANNOT be the only ones talking about this, surely?

This is homophobia.

NonExistantFox wtf are you on about?

*is

Wtf if lavender washing?

I'm really, really interested in the implication that kink marches at Pride with the political purpose of overturning Spanner. Will there be banners to this effect? How does this campaign to extend consent to harm during sex link to forging fundraising connections with child transition lobby groups?

This is all news to me. Very interested in the specifics.

please explain to me the lesbian sex wars, NonExistentFox and why they give reason for fetish

I too have never heard of this and am reading with interest

Misogyny, abuse of lesbians, and fetish. It's going to cause a backlash against gay men that will undo all the gains that have been made.

It seems that judges believe (gay) men can’t consent to GBH but obviously women want it.

If there is precedent to say you can't consent to GBH, how come men are saying women consent to acts leading to their actual death during 'sex games gone wrong'?

This is why.

Are you saying that kink marches at Pride with the political purpose of overturning the Spanner judgement? For the right to consent to GBH? Is it just Spanner they want to overturn or Emmett too? Just want to be clear on the sexual orientation aspect of this campaign I hadn't heard about.

And what does this - or Spanner or Emmett - have to do with children? Why are campaigners who want to overturn judgements on risky adult sex linking up with child transition lobbyists? Unsure of the connection there. It's not obvious to me.