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Police called to National Theatre to deal with gender critical feminists sitting on chairs

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2019 17:53

twitter.com/DadRogd/status/1147181198231429124 has picture of the unfortunate police officer sent to investigate.

Earlier in his tweet thread he says:

National Theatre Green Room bar just refused to serve us. Their grounds? Allegedly, we are a political group with views a member of staff finds offensive. So they offend a dozen customers instead.

Problem is apparently with t-shirt worn by Anne Ruzylo sporting a dictionary definition of a lesbian. As someone else has pointed out the NT is in breach of the Equality Act, given that sexual orientation and sex are both protected characteristics. I wonder how this will play out.

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 07/07/2019 15:17

The social media silence from the usual agitators trying to whip up hysteria about uppity women is strangely deafening.

Nobody seems able to adequately explain or defend this as a righteous decision by NT.

Funny that.

CharlieParley · 07/07/2019 15:08

palahvah those refused service had no placards, as evidenced by the videos and photographs of the group in the NT.

tobee · 07/07/2019 14:47

Well I agree with @RoyalCorgi

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 07/07/2019 14:45

I suspect that journalist is crap. but it's just a guess. she could be disingenuous

DuMondeB · 07/07/2019 14:35

I googled ‘Anne Ruzylo’

Real Anne’s twitter is the top hit. Either that journalist is crap or that journalist is disingenuous.

Police called to National Theatre to deal with gender critical feminists sitting on chairs
Lumene · 07/07/2019 14:30

looks as if the guardian is not regulated by IPSO unfortunately

No it isn’t. Nor is Pink News. Interesting isn’t it, given the vastly biased nature of the coverage.

You can write to the guardian’s readers editor though.

Bom7 · 07/07/2019 14:29

The real account has a shadowban.

I tried to report the fake one too but the real one didn't come up in the report page where you search for the account that is being impersonated.

I'm wondering is the person who created the fake account then reported the real one as being a fake!

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 07/07/2019 14:13

looks as if the guardian is not regulated by IPSO unfortunately

Ereshkigal · 07/07/2019 14:10

It's quite clear in the many videos from different angles that there are no placards.

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palahvah · 07/07/2019 13:41

Thought it has been established that the NT took issue not with the t-shirts (or lesbianism) but with the placards protesting treatments for trans teenagers?

Tanith · 07/07/2019 13:14

This is the complaints page for IPSO - the Independent Press Standards Organisation:

www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

It looks as though they report on more than 10 complaints under Clause 12 (discrimination) if made about the same incident.

RoyalCorgi · 07/07/2019 13:09

How on earth did journalists manage to contact anyone before Twitter

Good question, but 15 years ago, say, if an incident such as this had happened, there would have been no social media to publicise it on. So the only way the newspapers would have found out about it would have been if Anne or one of the other women had phoned the news desk up to tell them. So they'd have had the women's side of the story, and then the journalist would have phoned up the NT press office for their side.

Social media has muddied everything by allowing both sides the opportunity to get their information - or disinformation - out there very quickly to a large audience.

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/07/2019 12:53
Grin Hmm
nauticant · 07/07/2019 12:41

This made me laugh:

twitter.com/vanessathorpe/status/1147824969373704192

Vanessa Thorpe thinks that an article she wrote yesterday related to the National Theatre might be mistaken at its end and seeks to clarify.

Oh, hang on, it's an article about farces and has nothing to do with the incident at the NT yesterday.

CraicMammy · 07/07/2019 12:32

I believe the Equalities Commission pursued the Ashers case, maybe they would like to pursue a case on Anne’s behalf against the NT....

ThePurported · 07/07/2019 11:41

So we have NT, the Guardian/Observer and Twitter all twisting facts and preventing the truth about this homophobic incident from coming out.
Any comment from Stonewall yet?

LangCleg · 07/07/2019 11:31

Why is twitter preventing reports of this fake @sargesaIute account imitating Anne Ruzylo? I tried to report it and every time I plug her real twitter username, @sargesalute* , into the field for user being imitated, twitter blanks it out and then says the report is invalid. t.co/bxWsKxnLoy*

I think this is because searching the real Anne is under a shadowban, as posted by a PP above.

So when you try to report an impersonator, the Twitter interface can't recognise the real Anne.

CharlieParley · 07/07/2019 11:19

RoyalCorgi she's basically just trolling Anne now. If she actually cared, she'd have gone off Twitter and used all of the different sources she has available to contact Anne.

If I had any reason to contact Anne (I don't, but if I did) first of all I would have contacted Posie because she has a website with contact details. If that didn't pan out, I would contact all of the other Twitter accounts where people were saying they were there. Then I would contact the person who left a review on the NT's FB page who said she was there. I would contact her local Labour constituency party because she was an elected officer there. And so on...

And note the message says "if you were there". Anne hasn't just said she was, there are videos and photos of her at the NT.

I am a trained journalist and this is a piss poor performance by this hack. I am ashamed of her (mind you, that's an all roo familiar feeling by now).

SunsetBeetch · 07/07/2019 11:15

Ok sorry just one more point on the fake twitter account. This is weird.

"Why is twitter preventing reports of this fake @sargesaIute account imitating Anne Ruzylo? I tried to report it and every time I plug her real twitter username, @sargesalute , into the field for user being imitated, twitter blanks it out and then says the report is invalid. t.co/bxWsKxnLoy "

twitter.com/amrourk/status/1147667310976675842?s=19

Floisme · 07/07/2019 11:01

How on earth did journalists manage to contact anyone before Twitter?

EverardDigby · 07/07/2019 11:00

Have they also got a legal case against the Guardian then on the basis of being called disruptive?

RoyalCorgi · 07/07/2019 10:58

Well if she has any professional pride whatsoever I'm sure she'll be badgering her editor right now to issue a correction. So we'll see.

Vanessa Thorpe has tweeted the following this morning:

"@sargesalute if this is the real you this time and you were at the incident on Friday - or know someone else who was there and would speak - please do send your comment and I will ask the editors to add it to the story or suggest they follow it up with a new account. Thanks"

It doesn't reflect well on her that she hasn't bothered to find out Anne's email or even to contact her on Facebook. She is a very experienced journalist (if you search for her on the Guardian site, she has more than 2,000 articles), but she seems to be neglecting the basics.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/07/2019 10:57

All Anne’s shirt said was “Lesbians are women who love other women.” How on earth did someone take offence at that?? Even if your interpretation of “woman” encompasses people with penises, does not that sentence still work for you?