Police called to National Theatre to deal with gender critical feminists sitting on chairs

There is no way to spin that in a non homophobic way.

Absolutely.

Thanks Turbo and Old Crone for the extra info/thread link.

Well yes. If the trans person objected to the GC customers, and knew they were GC based on that T shirt, then basically, the trans person felt unsafe because they perceived there was a lesbian in the bar who in no circumstances would be prepared to fuck a person who ever had a penis.

There is no way to spin that in a non homophobic way.

It says they wouldn't refuse to serve someone based on their sexuality or declaring it on a t-shirt.

But but but .... that's EXACTLY what they did.

Fucking gaslighting arses.

This boils down to “they’re gender critical, I don’t like that, put them out”

Indeed

Turbo, I know. I'm just angry, too fecking hot, and ranting when I should be asleep.

So if a trans member of staff can’t feel safe or supported, if a lesbian is in the building?

Oh my god, that twitter feed NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay

What they really need is it a T-shirt saying the definition of lesbian one side, the definition of a woman the other, and some kind of naive endorsement of Stonewall standing up for homosexuality.

The brain implosion would be massive.

I mean fucksake, I'm sure Anne has been involved in all sorts of confrontational politics over the years and has probably pissed off Tories, and blokes of many guises. None of those people would be justified in refusing her service because she was an open lesbian who disagreed with them.

Floral
My comment at 23.48 was an add on the one at 23.46 and not about the statement.

at that thick as shit statement.

What does the definition of a lesbian have to do with trans people? how did that t-shirt have any bearing at all on the trans staff member?

This boils down to “they’re gender critical, I don’t like that, put them out”

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay
Wonder what the behaviour was that made their staff feel unsafe? It's a bit lame isn't it.

Well it's neither here nor there. The statement makes it plain that a trans member of staff was unhappy that a lesbian was openly existing in the bar where they worked, and they kicked up a fuss. The fact that this lesbian has been involved in all sorts of activism is entirely irrelevant.

I doubt the staff that refused service even knew about the protest.

Here's the statement the National Theatre has just put out
mobile.twitter.com/NationalTheatre/status/1147248680724025349

JanesKettle
The protest was outside Stonewall where there was Conference about young people and children today. It was specifically about Stonewall's influence in RSE in schools and the confusion this is causing children. It was also about the abusive nature of transing children rather than letting them be themselves.
The protest was not outside the NT.

Yes, I think discussion about protest tactics belongs on another thread. In terms of 'optics', if a thread about inexcusable homophobia gets derailed by internal feminist wrangling about specific tactics used, then the posters here tend to get a bit suspicious.

FWIW, I don't use pictures of the mutilation involved in trans related surgeries because I personally feel it's not my place to do so. But then my daughter thankfully has moved on from the obsessive desire to have her breasts cut off, so I might have felt differently had she got to the stage where irreversible damage had been done to her.

This has to go to the wire. It has to go public. Someone has to be asked, in the public arena, what is the objection about the definition of the word lesbian.

Let the fucking country hear that a lesbian is transphobic by dint of her sexual orientation. And that it's endorsed, nay encouraged, by Stonewall.

Let's bloody have it ffs.

This is absolutely the way to bring it to the public's attention. Fucking chucking lesbians out of a bar, on the basis that they're lesbians?

Bring it on. The quicker, the better.

Perhaps it would be better to take the discussion of protest tactics to another thread ?

There's already a thread about the protest.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3621123-Stonewall-protest-July-5th

And for avoidance of doubt, it was not Ok to call the police on a lesbian woman, protesting earlier or not.

I explictly said that even if reaction to the protest imagery formed part of the context, it was not OK to refuse service to the lesbian woman.

I was interested in understanding the context, because theatres are not places you usually find overt homophobia or lesbophobia.

Perhaps it would be better to take the discussion of protest tactics to another thread ? I can do that if people would like.

Would people call the police on any other kind of protesters? Even those protesting for/against Abortion? Or even Tommy Robinson supporters? I really don’t think so.

'Sex Reassignment Surgery'.

I believe there were pictures of scars from mastectomies performed on women who have chosen to remove their breasts at the Stonewall conference. Possibly pictures of arm and leg scars where skin has been removed to graft on to create a phallus shape. Not sure, but I've seen complaints.

Quite what that has to do with lesbians being refused service because they were openly lesbian, I really don't know. Is it ok to refuse service to lesbians if we disapprove of them or we think they've made a distasteful choice or whatever? Asking for a friend.

SRS- sex reassignment surgery.

There was a poster with surgery images, whether it was copyright I wouldn't know.

What this has to do with the discrimination against lesbians I don't know.

That photo from outside the NT is awful. If a woman was walking around in the same outfit they would be called all sorts of horrific things yet this man seems to be being celebrated.

Why the fuck are children watching that?! What is happening in this country!