Mhairi Black

She's at it again, calling people "hysterical" and "anti trans".

Feck off Mhairi, you snake.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/17873346.snp-mp-mhairi-black-39-39-ve-challenged-going-female-toilets-39-m-not-leaving-transgender-people-behind-39/?ref=twtrec

Thanks, breakfastpizza, I've now posted my complaint via that form. I quoted Shirley-Anne Somerville saying that people with genuine concerns about women's rights shouldn't be subject to knee-jerk accusations of transphobia and pointed out that was exactly what MB had done.

I'm not an SNP voter and I'm in a constituency with a substantial SNP majority, but if they're going for IndyRef 2 any time soon, every vote will matter.

I have also complained via the contact link in breakfastpizza's post.

I have used that form of contact before on this, and other issues, and always had a prompt response (ie within a few days).

As the form asks for a postcode and my email address includes my name I have pointed out that not just I but my entire household are SNP voters, which they will know from their records if they care to check. My SNP MP has a slender majority (not sure about my constituency MSP offhand, he's probably safer due to personal popularity regardless of party). Our four votes ought to matter to them.

I suspect my email will go into the "it's her again. She's never going to vote for us anyway - send the usual platitudes" pile !

I hope it helps @LassOfFyvie, it absolutely horrifies me that she is currently my representative

My complaint made no reference to trans issues or women's rights

I focused on the hypocrisy of Black complaining about this word being used to her but then having so little respect for other women that she uses it against them. And the utter lack of respect for a fellow MP.

I've complained to Murrell.

I have complained to [email protected] and copied in [email protected] following a pm from another poster

She's an embarrassment. Dismissing the concerns of at-risk and vulnerable women and then calling them cunts? Unacceptable behaviour from anyone, let alone a political figure.

Has anyone posted a link to complain? I found this one: www.snp.org/contact/

I think Mhairi's arguments are similar to celebrities in culty religions who respond with "well I've never seen anything dodgy" in response to accusations of abusive or exploitative behaviour. Of course a predator or AGP male using a trans identity to access lesbians or women isn't going to target her, she's Mhairi Black MP. However that doesn't mean ordinary people have the same experience as her, same as ordinary people in these religions don't have the same experience as celeb members. That Mhairi isn't aware of this is surprising to say the least.

How long before Black joins the Scottish Conservative Party?

Bit of a side-track picking up comments by MrsJamin and OldCrone . . . trans ideology and activism has a strong strand of "Queer Agenda" at heart, revealed by the fact that they DO want to "depathologise" transgenderism and are now lobbying to have "childhood gender dysphoria" removed from WHO ICD.

The long term aim of this strand of trans ideology has always been that it is only "feelings" that matter and that no medical intervention is needed.

This is why they hate transsexuals, call them TruScum and want to "erase" them, first by conflating transsexuals with transgender and then announcing that the term "transsexual" is obsolete. The want transsexuals obsolete too.

Medics in Europe have had lectures about trans surgery stormed by trans protestors objecting to the promotion of surgical intervention to validate Self-ID

"Changing priorities

"Although transgender issues are becoming more mainstream, the topic remains politically charged. The European groups sometimes encounter transgender activists who oppose any medical intervention — T’Sjoen says he has had talks disrupted by people arguing that transgender people should not give in to social pressure. Although that could be true for some people, he says, for others, “even if they were living somewhere on a desert island, they would still want to change their body”.

"The researchers must tread carefully to avoid making things more difficult for a group that is already stigmatized. This requires consultation with transgender people on their priorities, T’Sjoen says, and putting these ahead of questions that are simply scientifically interesting."

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01237-z

However, I cannot for the life of me square the circle of their arguments that:

• "gender dysphoria does not exist and the only thing that is wrong is transphobia"

• "depathologisation means free access, no questions asked, informed consent to trans-specific health care".

It "seems" to mean, "give me free hormones now but leave out the surgery" but that is not explicit in this Key Note speech at EPATH 2019:

epath.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Dinah-Bons.pdf

Is there any other circumstance in which "free specialist health care" is authorised to be provided by the state or covered by Health Insurance in the absence of any relevant medical diagnosis??? I have never seen a demand along the lines of, "just like X" so I am guessing that they do not have any comparable situations to bolster this case.

I started a Thread about this a while ago which might be a better place to pick this up if you want to - I don't want to derail the discussion about Mhairi Black.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3574976-Transactivists-deny-Gender-Dysphoria-exists-The-aim-is-to-STOP-kids-having-access-to-hormones-and-surgery

ps. How long before Black comes out as non-binary to try to get herself and the SNP off the hook for her appalling behaviour? Are we talking hours, days, weeks??? I'd put money on it being sooner rather than later.

I'm another one who thinks this is such a shame. I really liked her

Ironic that the women she sneers at are the ones who fought for women and gay rights. Without them, she wouldn’t be in her position at all!

It always irritates me to see these young kids pontificating about the terrible 80s and homophobia when they have no memory and little knowledge of it.

The men

Yes let's see the me moving up for tens men. Then we can talk.

When physical things go wrong with your body it will have a detrimental impact on your mental health. To state that is not bigotry.

Why is Mhairi not talking about males needing to be more inclusive of TW I wonder? On one level she is acknowledging the need for privacy while denying that women should have ours. It's not about being kind . The violence is only coming from TRAs...and Mhairi is ignoring the evidence that she says she has seen. The T has not always been a part of the LGB , so younger women need to look to their history before assuming we are linked together. I wish her party colleagues would talk with her as there is much she needs to learn....and the laws have not been changed to date.

Sorry Unesco not United Nations. Thought I'd already corrected that!

The TRAs want it to be a physical disorder - literally, your body being wrong, rather than a mental one. They don't want it to be no disorder at all

I've seen this mentioned before. This would make the feeling that one's body is wrong a physical condition, requiring no psychiatric treatment whatsoever, but requiring treatment instead to make the body what it 'should be'.

Why is anyone going along with this? Have they lost their minds?

She knew exactly what she was saying re her 'Don't be a Jeremy Hunt'

Hopefully she will never be instrumental in foreign policy when it comes to young girls/education/single sex toilets. Or perhaps she feels the United Nations is just a bunch of Jeremy Hunts.

uis.unesco.org/en/glossary-term/toilets

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/single-sex-toilets-unesco-un-international-womens-day-period-a8244776.html

@Chickenwing

As posters have told you self ID means a man doesn't have to do anything to be considered a female.

Some posters have explained in great detail the issues. I'm genuinely interested, having read those comments, whether you feel more resolute in your position or can see why women might be concerned.

Would love to hear your thoughts

"for the World Health Organization to remove "gender identity disorder" from list of mental illnesses, there will be a lack of medical funding for people who want to have medical intervention."

I'm not sure that is true. They have renamed it "gender incongruence" which is listed as a "sexual health" condition. The TRAs want it to be a physical disorder - literally, your body being wrong, rather than a mental one. They don't want it to be no disorder at all

It is worrying that those children who do not believe themselves to be transgender will be all aboard, not having to think too deeply about what it means, and readily believe that other children can change sex.

These leaves no support for those vulnerable children caught up in this ideology when it proves to have been the wrong route for them.

What's really strange is now that TRAs are getting 'what they want' - for the World Health Organization to remove "gender identity disorder" from list of mental illnesses, there will be a lack of medical funding for people who want to have medical intervention. There'll have to be crowd-sourcing for meds and surgery to 'become who they really are'. Its such an own-goal.