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BBCBias001 · 03/07/2019 19:00

There was a thread but it went for some reason. Anyway, the safe schools alliance have launched a website. Looks good.

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LangCleg · 04/07/2019 17:14

We've been in touch with SSAUK behind the scenes to explain our position.

Is their account still banned? Or are they allowed to comment generally again?

JoMumsnet · 04/07/2019 17:06

Sorry for the delay in responding.

Just to clear up a few questions that are being asked here and on the thread in Site Stuff (which we'll be posting on too). We removed the original thread because our site rules state we don't allow organisations to post primarily to promote themselves. Here's the full text from our Talk Guidelines -

We have no problem with people posting the odd link to other sites/blogs that other posters might find useful or interesting. But we'll delete anyone's attempts to spam the boards with links, as a way of promoting their own product, services, survey or e-petition, as it annoys our members.

We only allow fundraising for registered charities to be promoted on our Talk boards - and these threads should be posted on the Charities noticeboard. This is in the interest of protecting our users as we aren't able to vouch for or endorse individuals running crowdfunding campaigns or anything along those lines.

This is a blanket rule, regardless of how worthy an organisation or a cause may be.

As you can see, this thread is still up and running, and we have no problem with people discussing Safe Schools Alliance UK and the work they do, nor with anyone linking to their website. We're not trying to shut down discussion, but we have to apply our guidelines consistently.

We've been in touch with SSAUK behind the scenes to explain our position. Hopefully this thread can get back on track now.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 04/07/2019 16:47

We don't allow advertising and promotion on Mumsnet, so it's best to contact them off the boards.

This is quite alarming to me. This wasn’t an advertisement or a ‘promotion’. It was about a child safeguarding organisation. Lots of good groups are able to share their stuff here, we all share and discuss groups, Jean Hatchet has made many posts about her riding for murdered women... I could give a lot of examples.

I’m disappointed MNHQ haven’t come to explain. This is not acceptable.

CaveMum · 04/07/2019 16:24

I’ve poked the bear and asked Mimmy to point out exactly where SSA are asking for funds.

DuMondeB · 04/07/2019 16:06

I bought two fab dresses via the side bar ads couple of weeks ago.

Don’t shut down conversations about safeguarding, Mumsnet HQ - I can vouch for at least one of the founders of SSA who I know via Facebook.

SmallHaddockAndChips · 04/07/2019 15:51

Seconded.

0ttoline · 04/07/2019 15:26

@MNHQ please can you comment on this?

How did the previous thread by SSA break talk guidelines? I have reread the guidelines and I don't get it.

May no one mention any other website they are involved with on mumsnet now? Or is there some special reason not to tell people about a children's safeguarding site?

Can you let SSAUK know why you have banned them, or better yet, reinstate their account?

I for one would like to hear more from them here.

HandsOffMyRights · 04/07/2019 15:12

Eevee (that's one of children's favourite Pokemon too). Just curious if you are a parent and what your views on safeguarding are?

I am a parent, female and also work with schools, so I am invested in ensuring that safeguarding is first and foremost in schools.

My children's schools are teaching some inaccurate and dangerous/regressive material thanks to Stonewall.

Thank you SSA for setting up a very useful service gor concerned parents.

LangCleg · 04/07/2019 14:54

Safe Schools Alliance is a grassroots campaign group with an impressive impact in very little time.

Seconded.

LangCleg · 04/07/2019 14:54

At the last point I saw the thread, someone had asked if there was a way to donate and I agreed that if there were such a way, I would also donate.

This did not come from SSA. It was a spontaneous offer from an MNer.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 04/07/2019 14:28

What I do take from it is how determined certain adults / groups are to have the right to directly access children without question and how hard they will work to discredit anyone who raises concerns about safeguarding and rights.

I agree.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/07/2019 14:13

unwitting right wing supremacists

How can you be an unwitting supremacist?

Surely you’d know if you were being all supremacy

Witless id understand...just not unwitting

FormerMediocreMale · 04/07/2019 14:10

Got the email thanks Gcold.

Elletorro · 04/07/2019 13:39

Safe Schools Alliance is a grassroots campaign group with an impressive impact in very little time.

3 local authorities have withdrawn sexist non safeguarding compliant policies and the NSPCC has dropped a sexist non safeguarding compliant official advocate due to their interventions,

Investigations were undertaken due to their whistleblowing and their concerns were found to be legitimate.

High impact, low effort (given they have provided precedents to help guide parents in challenging their own school). Brilliant resource.

GColdtimer · 04/07/2019 13:07

I can confirm that MNHQ has not been in touch with SSAUK to talk about the thread or why the account has been banned. Nothing, no communication at all.

GColdtimer · 04/07/2019 13:05

Thanks, Former. I think someone has replied. I agree, it is terrible.

And yes, there is no way to donate as SSAUK isn't doing any fundraising and have no way of collecting money. We are just a group of individuals pulling together resources for the benefit of teachers, parents etc and connecting people to help each other out all across the UK. We are delighted that so many people are already finding the resource useful.

Datun · 04/07/2019 13:04

If TRAs don't like what is being provided on that website, they can come on here and explain why. Just tell people. Why wouldn't you?

Datun · 04/07/2019 13:03

Why is this being suppressed by TRAs and MHHQ? This is just bizarre, and the capitulation of MNHQ to TRAs is just so sinister.

Agreed. If HQ don't know who they are, surely they can just ask for verification by contacting them?

FormerMediocreMale · 04/07/2019 13:00

*GColdTimer i have completed the contact form on the SSA website. I live in Aberdeenshire and the Murray/Mearns Acadamy situation is just horrifying.

Sunkisses · 04/07/2019 12:50

Those TRA tweets above claim that Safe Schools Alliance were asking for money. SSA was not asking for money. They don't have a donate feature on their website. They simply posted to provide a valuable resource for the 1,000s of parents on here who are concerned about safeguarding of all children in schools. Why is this being suppressed by TRAs and MHHQ? This is just bizarre, and the capitulation of MNHQ to TRAs is just so sinister.

GColdtimer · 04/07/2019 12:43

@FormerMediocreMale have you contacted SSAUK? Was it email, FB, website or Twitter. PM me if you like. I am involved with SSAUK.

Sunkisses · 04/07/2019 12:42

WHY are TRAs trying to get any information about safeguarding of children in schools removed from a parenting forum? This is deeply sinister. Please provide an explanation - to SSA and to parents on this forum - for this utterly bizarre decision @MNHQ

truthisarevolutionaryact · 04/07/2019 12:20

Ok - it's a bit clearer now having read the links that LangCleg put up.

I do have sympathy for MNHQ being on the receiving end of all these reports - and if it's concerning an external site can understand an initial capitulation as it must be difficult to be certain that a site referenced is legitimate.

What I do take from it is how determined certain adults / groups are to have the right to directly access children without question and how hard they will work to discredit anyone who raises concerns about safeguarding and rights.

FormerMediocreMale · 04/07/2019 12:20

According to mimmymum if you don't follow NSPCC - a charity with rather concerning abuse accusations against it regarding children - then we don't care about children.

If we don't support a women's charicharity that centres males we do not care about women...

Totally missing the point of why new organisations have been created - the existing ones have let us down so no we don't support them!

FormerMediocreMale · 04/07/2019 12:13

Yes it really i bizarre how anyone can be against safeguarding.

I have contacted them and asked to get involved.

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