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Put back in my box

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Juells · 01/07/2019 20:47

I emailed the director of an organisation that I belong to, about the fact that the only options on their membership form were Gender Identity or non-binary.

I said, in part

I'm OK with you requesting gender identity for those of your members that have a gender identity, but most people don't. I'm female, why should I be forced to accept an identity I don't have? Women have fought against the idea of 'gender' for fifty years, and I object to having it foisted on me now. Gender is a social construct, stereotypes of how the two sexes should behave.

How can you possibly produce any reliable statistics about the membership of XXXX with such a wooly question?

Could you please offer the options of Male, Female, followed by gender identity or non binary?

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Erythronium · 01/07/2019 22:21

Just such utter tosh. We're back to "a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman" which means absolutely nothing. You can't identify as something that doesn't exist.

Men are so delighted at this turn of events, where they can erase the reality of womanhood whilst patronising the woman they're harming as they're dong it. It's the ultimate male fantasy, like you say, putting us back in the box.

Name and shame the organisation.

Juells · 01/07/2019 22:21

I just despair, it's all so depressing and stupid and desperate to be more inclusive and woke than everyone else.

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R0wantrees · 01/07/2019 22:15

So can people with the protected characteristic of religion object to the suggestion that babies are born in the wrong body on theological basis?

One would think the suggestion God made such a profound error would be a serious one for many people with faith.
I believe the Pope has made comments about transgender ideology

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 01/07/2019 22:14

Meaningless waffle. I want to ask him to explain very succinctly to describe a female gender identity so I can know if I’ve got one or not.

R0wantrees · 01/07/2019 22:10

I'm in Ireland, these are the protected characteristics; there are nine, gender (male,female, transexual), civil status, family status, sexual orientation, disability, religion, age, race, and membership of the Traveller community. The word sex isn't mentioned.

So no sex-based protections or rights?

Juells · 01/07/2019 22:04

Ireland is very small, so I don't want to say what kind of organisation it is. It's a grant-aided organisation for professionals. It's not a hobby or charity thing.

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MenuPlant · 01/07/2019 22:02

Where did my post go?!

I expressed surprise that sex is not a Protected characteristic in ireland

But then I remembered that Irish women have never been mistreated due to anything relating to their biological sex, and realised its fine and I was making a fuss about nothing

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 01/07/2019 21:59

We are getting closer to an authoritarian, thought-policed state.

We're already there, it's the start and we're in for it to get increasingly more restrictive over the next few years.

MenuPlant · 01/07/2019 21:56

Is this a

Work thing
Charity thing
Hobby thing
What sort of thing

?

littlbrowndog · 01/07/2019 21:55

But am so pissed off with this shite so excuse my what I would really like to say to the beardie wokie wankers

Juells · 01/07/2019 21:55

This is the form, I uploaded it last week when I noticed. I can't fill it in again as I'm a member, I just renew every year, the form is for new members.

You can only select, no possibility to fill in NoGenderYouWankers.

I'm in Ireland, these are the protected characteristics; there are nine, gender (male,female, transexual), civil status, family status, sexual orientation, disability, religion, age, race, and membership of the Traveller community. The word sex isn't mentioned.

Put back in my box
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littlbrowndog · 01/07/2019 21:54

Yes what elketorro said.
How can they be monitoring any stats if they have flawed systems

FermatsTheorem · 01/07/2019 21:53

.. ... Then set your attack chihuahuas on him Grin (sarcasm alert for the slow of thinking Twitter screen grabbers).

FermatsTheorem · 01/07/2019 21:52

What Elletorro said - just email him back with a very terse reply drawing his attention to the fact that sex is a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 01/07/2019 21:49

Do you need to become a member of an organisation that obviously has taken a stance against the rights of women and girls? Is there a less bonkers organisation you could join instead?

littlbrowndog · 01/07/2019 21:49

I don’t think you can have chit chat with such an idiot and do what even said 👆

Juells · 01/07/2019 21:44

Ha ha I just took my dogs out for a walk to try to calm down, then had a row with a cyclist. Walking along the footpath and he silently whizzed by me from behind, gave me and dogs such a fright. I said "Jesus" and the dogs shrieked with fright. Big young bloke in shorts who immediately stopped and said "What do you mean by that?" aggressively. I said "this is a footpath" he started filming me and said "your dogs attacked me" Tiny dogs, chihuahuas! Grin Grin Grin I said "don't be ridiculous" He rode off looking back threateningly at me, and I shouted "Arsehole". So much for calming down.

I would like to email back, but I'd rant. Any suggestions? Though I think it might be a lost cause when I see the magnificence of his beard.

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Evenquieterlife33 · 01/07/2019 21:43

I’d just reply and cross out the options adding that the only identity you have is woman/female.

Elletorro · 01/07/2019 21:38

The EA2010 pc is sex. Defn is s212. They don’t record it they can’t track if they inadvertently discriminate against women because of their sex. Most sexism in the workplace is structural and indirect. It comes about because HR doesn’t recognise that supposedly neutral policies disproportionately negatively impact women. Obscuring sex will increase risk they don’t spot sexism.

Gender is not a thing. Gender reassignment is.

Gender identity might be a valid data to collect but it is not sex. It’s completely different otherwise why would Elan-Cane have wanted to erase their female marker from their passport and replace with an x? Non binary shows it’s not synonymous with sex. It’s a philosophical belief that gender identity should replace sex. I don’t believe that. Neither do you.

littlbrowndog · 01/07/2019 21:38

Perhaps ask him. Are you drunk or off your head on drugs cos nothing you have written makes sense

littlbrowndog · 01/07/2019 21:36

Cripes was he dead drunk when he wrote that o4 off his head on drugs.

Only explanation for such rambling shite

Mumsymumphy · 01/07/2019 21:28

"I don’t want to get into a large discussion about your opinions on gender as these are your personal right". "But then I will bleat on for some length of time as to why we are so woke"

Makes my blood boil.

MenuPlant · 01/07/2019 21:24

Just say gender = NoneYouWankers

On the form?

MenuPlant · 01/07/2019 21:22

Yy

What are they intending to do with this data
What is their aim in collecting it

If it's got anything to do with equalities monitoring around sex then they aren't collecting the right info

Why do they need to know how people feel on the inside?

EverardDigby · 01/07/2019 21:17

I'm interested in knowing what they will do with the data if they get 60 different gender identities, is it even relevant to collect in the first place?

Also gender is a system that oppress women, we want to dismantle it, not reinforce it. Though I guess it's in men's interests that it stays....

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