Sharron

Anyway, for the interests of honesty and because stating facts is never wrong. I'm off to go tell disabled people that they would die if they were left on an island, and that they cant have babies.

Developments in fertility treatment have meant lots of people have been able to have families they wouldn't otherwise have had.

Those who have gone through infertility treatment tend to be pretty aware of the truth of this.

Unless your post was making a judgement about disabled people procreating?

I very much doubt that disabled people would automatically die if they were left on an island either

I'm off to go tell disabled people that they would die if they were left on an island, and that they cant have babies

Why cant disabled people have babies

Sharron really gets up some people’s noses doesn’t she? I mean I can see why. She’s so incredibly articulate and engaging. I guess some people feel that the best way to counter act that is to wilfully misconstrue her words and then argue vigorously against the straw man they’ve constructed

It’s kind of obvious as a ploy though

*It's a form of abuse of women to deliberately stalk their speech, scour it for bad faith interpretation and then report it to authorities or lie about it to single them out for more abuse.

No different to domestic coercive controllers.*

Very well said, Lang.

To be honest the tweet, without context, does come across as homophobic.

It doesn't.

It is not carefully worded so has been deliberately misinterpreted.

It's exactly the same as at least half the posts on FWR that get deleted.

It's a form of abuse of women to deliberately stalk their speech, scour it for bad faith interpretation and then report it to authorities or lie about it to single them out for more abuse.

No different to domestic coercive controllers.

Its putting worth onto what happens if you were left on an island. Luckily not a situation ive encountered or one which i base my life circumstances.

You are correct that the biology is correct. From reading Sharon's past activism, this tweet does not make it clear. im aware that she isnt talking about gay people however all those "dumb asses on twitter" clearly also took the same context of the homophobic analogy.

Biology isn't homophobic, people who use that analogy tend to be.

Anyway, for the interests of honesty and because stating facts is never wrong. I'm off to go tell disabled people that they would die if they were left on an island, and that they cant have babies.

I’m not asking her to be nice I’m saying I don’t think her tweet makes much sense

That’s fine

I understand it perfectly

I’m not asking her to be nice I’m saying I don’t think her tweet makes much sense.

I've never heard that line of questioning that doesn't result in some sort of "well its un natural" or that sex without procreation is pointless.

If the aim is to perpetuate a species that has adapted to utilise sexual reproduction for its survival, then sex without procreation is purposeless.

For perpetuation of such a species sexual interaction must occur and be successful between bodies that produce the complementary gametes.

This is not a religious, political or any other ideological position to take; it is a very basic biological fact.

Beyond that, sexual interaction with the sole aim of experiencing the pleasure of it, without any aim to procreate, occurs between some bodies that produce the same gametes [homosexuality] and some bodies that produce the complementary gametes [heterosexuality].

No they aren’t. You’re both essentially saying the same thing so often said to women: be nice, don’t say anything others might misinterpret, don’t speak facts in case you upset someone. Sharron has said nothing wrong.

Fallofrain is putting it better than I am, thanks.

She isn’t directing it at homosexual people. She’s not saying it to them. Like I said before, the last 3 words should make it clear, especially given her recent public campaigning regarding sex in sport.

Well if you having a biological fact based discussion. Yes and infertile couple would die out. Why would you pretend any different?

So cant tall about islands, or biological fact in case you upset someone who assumes you mean being gay is unnatural?

That seems sensible

I think youve misunderstood me. Lets not throw the baby out with the bayh water, I totally agree that a baby needs sperm and an egg. I dont think anyone is disagreeing with that

However the whole island thing is very much a troupe. Its a very common arguement to say that being gay is unnatural and thus for shameful. There is not enough context in the tweet to make her actual point which is about transgender people seperate from this.

In the same way that you wouldnt say to an infertile couple, well if left on an island you'd die out. Not anyless true but everyone is aware of the biology, its being edgy for the sake of it

If by most people you mean the dumb arses who still remain on Twitter, that judge people ok isolated tweets, then sure. But I don’t know anyone like this in real life. I’ve shown my gay and lesbian friends that tweet. They have no issue. You do need a Male and female to procreate. You can’t do that based on feelings in your head. For those searching for homophobia in limited character tweets, sure. But they would be calling her homophobic anyway. What GC woman hasn’t been accused of that?

No one here has said it was un natural or sex should be for procreation and neither did Sharron. It is biological fact that two adult human males cannot produce a child together without the need for a adult human female to provide an ovum and then gestate said child.

So because some people use biology to say people shouldnt be gay.

We cant talk about biology?

How the hell, do we teach biology in schools?

Problem is that if your gay, you will of heard this weird sort of arguement all the time. " Ie what if you were on a desert island and it was just you and a man?if everyone was gay we would die out! Etc"

Ive never heard that line of questioning that doesnt result in some sort of "well its un natural" or that sex without procreation is pointless.

I recognise that it might not be her point, but trust me the whole island thing will make most people think it is.

Basically Sharron is saying if two males (no matter how they are identifying) are stuck on a desert island then there will be zero young produced because they are both male and visa versus with females.

It's not homophobic or transphobic it is pure simple biological fact.

But I guess most things are 'phobic' now. 🙄

I accept completely that sex is binary. What I’m not getting is how Sharron’s tweet is demonstrating that in any way.

I believe Sharron is saying that for procreation to occur a body that produces the large gamete must interact with a body that produces the small gamete.

I’m obviously struggling to be understood for which I am sorry. I accept completely that sex is binary. What I’m not getting is how Sharron’s tweet is demonstrating that in any way.

Sex is binary because of the gametes:

females create the large gamete [ovum]; males create the small gamete [sperm]:

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1133120326844506112

How is it homophobic to state that 2 men on their own cant have a baby. And the 2 women, on their own, cant have a baby.

She made no judgment on relationships or claimed that means same sex relationships shoildnt happen.

My apologies it's already been mentioned. Still he is an odious little twerp.