Patient of webberlys commits suicide

The article is so misleading with all the mis-sexing going on.

The real story - lesbian bullied.... takes testosterone... etc. Reading it initially, I was thinking it's a boy with a pink hoodie.

Its utterly tragic.

Appalling the extent this young person & their family have been failed.

So sad. RIP.

But all the classic tropes - young lesbian with ASD. Bullied in school until comes out as trans and then becomes feted. Grooming in plain sight.

The teacher should be investigated. The Webberleys should be investigated. And the lack of mental heath support is what’s most wrong here.

I'm sure inread something on another thread about a young teen attending LGBTQ support groups/clubs and how the meetings ended up being much older transgender participants discussing sex lives infront of the young girls attending ...

Yes Ben (GNC Centric) interviewed by Benjamin Boyce as above.

Ben's article should be read by as wide an audience as possible.
It seems apparent that usual best practice & Safeguarding expectations for youth workers is disregarded in some LGBT+ groups.

This exposes girls & young women to unacceptable risks from adult males:

'My Trans Youth Group Experience with Morgan Page'
(extract)
"Most of the time, the Trans Youth Group attendees were majority MTFs and “nonbinary” (NB) males. There was an upper age limit (somewhere between 21-25) but it was a pretty small group, usually fewer than 10 people; so when people aged out they just stuck around. I guess others learned that the age limit wasn’t being enforced because more and more older (30-40 year old) MTFs started to join.

I remember one day, there were three MTFs over 40 who were hitting on the teen FTMs, very explicitly. It was obviously making us uncomfortable, but almost no one ever said anything, only changed the topic or tried to engage them in a conversation away from us. The only time I remember them being asked to leave was when Morgan was a way and the group was led by an FTM substitute.

It was very common for the group to discuss the logistics of sex before and after SRS, kinky sex, and erotic fanfiction. I remember Morgan asking the three teens in the room, including me, if we were comfortable talking about this, but obviously we weren’t going to say no now that the conversation had already been started by these older people. I know of at least three FTMs who entered into relationships with older MTFs while in this group, all of which seemed very unhealthy to me. To me, FTMs under 18 dating or sleeping with (usually kinky) MTFs over 20 seemed very sexually exploitative. Healthy boundaries between adults and minors were foreign to this group, much like in the greater queer and trans community." (continues)
4thwavenow.com/tag/morgan-page/

Article above refers to a Youth group in Canada.
Morgan Page was reported as working for Stonewall UK December 2018
'Lottery thousands pay for former trans stripper to sway public opinion
After the £500,000 given to Mermaids, the same amount has gone to Stonewall to ‘empower transgender leaders’
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lottery-thousands-pay-for-former-trans-stripper-to-sway-public-opinion-6lw9xbwgr?shareToken=be73b51d60914490987eaa7d1019f048

I’m willing to accept that being trans is not a mental health problem. However there can be a lot of other mental health problems that run alongside it. I believe it is possible that a person could believe they are trans when in reality they need some mental health care. The huge problem is that no one is allowed to question someone’s trans status.

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Yes I think that's it. Different link to the one in the threads I think but same person/story

Probably the worst place for a struggling lesbian to ever be where they find out just how much everyone hates them

Sarah I think that was taken from a Benjamin Boyce interview with a young detransitioned woman. Can't remember her name but she does quite a lot of GC activism now.

Might be GNC Ben? She certainly describes this.

And wtf with The Tavi sending them a leaflet telling them to expect to be suicidal. Completely against Samaritans guidance.

This is so gobsmacking that I'm hoping it's not true - that the leaflets etc were not from the Tavistock after all but were (say) Mermaids stuff instead, and the parents didn't realise. Otherwise it just seems so ... I mean, it's so fucked up it can't be possible, if you see what I mean.

These LGBT/Pride groups - which seem to be all about the T now - are stepping in (often very well funded too) to fill the massive gaps in mental health support for children.

Yep and so many of these clubs seem to be behind closed doors, and without parental knowledge, in the name of confidentiality. So what you have is a group of vulnerable kids with one adult and no oversight. If it was the drama teacher or scout master it won’t be tolerated but LGBT is a magically phrase which these people use to do whatever they want.

No one truly knows why this person or anyone committed suicide. It must be an awful time for their family. Speculating on why this happened is just that - speculation.

Sarah I think that was taken from a Benjamin Boyce interview with a young detransitioned woman. Can't remember her name but she does quite a lot of GC activism now.

That is awful, just utterly heartbreaking.

I notice that a lot of young people have no notion of transgenderism until it is promoted to them as a fix for all their problems

I'm sure inread something on another thread about a young teen attending LGBTQ support groups/clubs and how the meetings ended up being much older transgender participants discussing sex lives infront of the young girls attending ...

I cant remember what thread though...

The "He was part of the 'pride club' run by a transgender teacher" bothers me.

I notice that a lot of young people have no notion of transgenderism until it is promoted to them as a fix for all their problems.

Who wouldn't grab at it?

I hope bigger newspapers pick up this story.

Feel for a person

Stupid auto correct

Tragic story.

I'm.assuming they never actually ever met them.either as it states it was all done via internet and phone. How can you get a deep for a person or whether they are being coerced or abused or being controlled etc of they arent sat in front of you. If you cant see or feel the dynamic between the person they bring with them etc

These two drs should be struck off permanently

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3625184-Surge-in-girls-switching-gender-Gilligan-in-The-Times

This thread is highly relevant here. Mental health issues, ASD, and same-sex orientation are all being treated as an "identity" disorder - and transition/cross sex hormone treatment is seen as the cure-all by TRAs. It's not.

What an absolute tragedy. Poor kid. Failed repeatedly by the system. My heart breaks for the family left behind.

Webberley didn't even meet Jayden.

"It was all done by phone and internet."

And Helen Webberley is weaponising these suicides. Here she is last week trying to blackmail the Royal College of GPs into having more trans representation on their steering group.

twitter.com/MyWebDoctorUK/status/1142380754669907968

"Two young trans people in my knowledge ended their lives on the train track this year".

Webberley doesn't mention that she is suspended by the GMC. Nor that Jayden's suicide happened under Webberley's own "care".

I fear the trans activists will use this young person's suicide as "proof" that transition should be quicker.

Yes, I'm sure they will. Whilst also insisting that being transgender is not a mental illness and stating that it's highly offensive to suggest that it is.

Wtf, normalising suicide now at the Tavistock? I'm

And then you have people hounding Prof Moore for wanting to ask questions about and research all of this in order to prevent self harm and suicide.

At her talk in Newcastle she mentioned another young person who committed suicide after transitioning.

The whole thing is a shit show car crash of the most appalling safeguarding.

I fear the trans activists will use this young person's suicide as "proof" that transition should be quicker.

I fear this too, it must not be allowed to happen but there seems to be a lack of joined up thinking with many in positions of power and influence.