Patient of webberlys commits suicide

I wonder if Mermaids were involved at all, given their endorsement of the Webberly illegal clinic.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were behind the "information" pack that arrived in the post.

That poor child. It doesn't matter what other problems were present; severe depression should have been picked up and treated immediately.

I am extremely concerned by the fact that this tragedy will undoubtedly be "weaponised" to reinforce the argument for harmful medicalisation pathways and further transideology.

It would be hard to argue that lack of hormone treatment was the problem. Jayden was on testosterone, but what was lacking was mental health support.

I got talking with a woman on a train last week. Turns out her daughter was training to become a psychiatrist. She'd been working for CAMHS and had encountered a number of gender questioning kids. She had recognized these patients had other issues (ASD, abuse, trauma, internalised homophobia) but CAMHS policy was that nothing but the gender issues must be explored. To unpick the other issues was seen as conversion therapy. The poor woman was very troubled by this and very relieved when she moved to another department.

This makes me want to weep.

It is a systemic Safeguarding & Duty of Care failure.

Yes, it is.

Those politicians who have enabled this and failed to scrutinise lobby groups who are not informed by mental health, psychology, child development, child protection professional background are complicit.

Yes, they are.

The issues which were raised at Dr Mike Webbereley's suspension were all (I think from memory) to do with how he treated young females.

"Dr Mike Webberley, a consultant of 35 years’ experience with the NHS, assessed Jayden, together with GenderGP’s multidisciplinary team of nurses, psychologists and therapists"

The head of Gender GPs 'theraputic services' is a male transperson with a counselling qualification.

Ive read some of their 'assessments' & they are not informed by knowledge of trauma, abuse, Safeguarding or Child protection frameworks.

Mike Webberley (a trained GP) did not recognise Jayden's other issues.

Mike Webberley is not a GP. He's a gastroenterology specialist.

Here he describes how well qualified he is to prescribe hormone treatment to children without meeting them.

gendergp.co.uk/dr_mike_webberley/

She had recognized these patients had other issues (ASD, abuse, trauma, internalised homophobia)

And yet Mike Webberley (a trained GP) did not recognise Jayden's other issues.

Didn't even meet Jayden.

The Webberleys have issued a statement. About how it is all the NHS's fault.

gendergp.co.uk/the-nhs-must-take-urgent-steps-to-provide-interim-care-solutions-for-trans-people/

"Dr Mike Webberley, a consultant of 35 years’ experience with the NHS, assessed Jayden, together with GenderGP’s multidisciplinary team of nurses, psychologists and therapists".

I sincerely doubt that this team of nurses, psychologists and therapists were involved in assessing Jayden's case.

I suspect that Jayden asked for testosterone and Mike Webberley prescribed it alone without reference to anybody else.

Perhaps Jayden's parents can ask to see these multi-disciplinary assessments. Maybe the GMC are already investigating.

She had recognized these patients had other issues (ASD, abuse, trauma, internalised homophobia) but CAMHS policy was that nothing but the gender issues must be explored. To unpick the other issues was seen as conversion therapy.

It is adults running translobby groups who whilst claiming to advocate for young people who question their gender identity have & continue to push this restriction so that professionals cannot use their knowledge & experience to best support children & young people.

It is a systemic Safeguarding & Duty of Care failure.

Those politicians who have enabled this and failed to scrutinise lobby groups who are not informed by mental health, psychology, child development, child protection professional background are complicit.

She had recognized these patients had other issues (ASD, abuse, trauma, internalised homophobia) but CAMHS policy was that nothing but the gender issues must be explored. To unpick the other issues was seen as conversion therapy. The poor woman was very troubled by this and very relieved when she moved to another department.

It's appalling that CAMHS are taking this attitude, and it's only going to get worse if the only people who can tolerate working there are those who fully embrace trans ideology.

Poor Jayden.

Clearly the system (and I include CAMHS in this) is fucked.

Predatory doctors out to make a buck by prescribing controlled substances and not making mental health support/close supervision mandatory isn’t the answer.

Poor Jayden. Poor, poor parents. It doesn't bear imagining. And I hope the Webberleys get into big trouble for their appalling conduct, conduct that contributed to this tragedy.

I believe it is possible that a person could believe they are trans when in reality they need some mental health care. The huge problem is that no one is allowed to question someone’s trans status.

I got talking with a woman on a train last week. Turns out her daughter was training to become a psychiatrist. She'd been working for CAMHS and had encountered a number of gender questioning kids. She had recognized these patients had other issues (ASD, abuse, trauma, internalised homophobia) but CAMHS policy was that nothing but the gender issues must be explored. To unpick the other issues was seen as conversion therapy. The poor woman was very troubled by this and very relieved when she moved to another department.

I recommended Mumsnet if her daughter wanted to offload in an anonymous forum and told her how many teachers and NHS staff come here to do exactly that. Her mum was very interested in how popular Mumsnet FWR is, and pleased to know you don't need to be a parent to take part.

This comment from Jayden's Mum is important & echoes best practice & guidance from Samaritans:

She said delays in Jayden’s treatment were a “significant factor” but added: “The precise details of what was going through his mind will never be known.”

That the Webberley's are seeking to draw causation with treatment times demonstrates yet again that they do not understand or respect Safeguarding, mental health or Duty of Care to children & vulnerable adults.

This was on the BBC website last week though I notice it is year old. It seems dodgy websites run from abroad by doctors struck off in the UK are not new. Notice there is a link to a certain TV doctor too.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45084555

It’s clear that Jayden’s parents and sister loved him very much. I’m mindful that they or others who knew Jayden might see the thread - gentle thoughts to them, if so

Yes. Same story covered in The Mirror

Featuring Jayden's artwork. Very talented.

It’s clear that Jayden’s parents and sister loved him very much. I’m mindful that they or others who knew Jayden might see the thread - gentle thoughts to them, if so

Yes. I am so sorry for the loss of Jayden.

It’s clear that Jayden’s parents and sister loved him very much. I’m mindful that they or others who knew Jayden might see the thread - gentle thoughts to them, if so

Absolutely this ^^
all thoughts should be for Jaydens family & friends

Oh dear god this poor child and their poor parents. they have been very badly let down. We have long been saying that there urgently needs to be abundant mental health support and the availability of talking therapies for all children and young people. (Whatever the cause of their distress).

I’m in shock. A doctor prescribed medication of this type without even meeting the patient!? WTH?

They’ll be struck off, surely.

When this was reported a few months ago, it sounded like Jayden had sourced the drugs from an online site. But these Drs actually prescribed them

It’s clear that Jayden’s parents and sister loved him very much. I’m mindful that they or others who knew Jayden might see the thread - gentle thoughts to them, if so

Grooming in plain sight.

This.

The Webberleys should be investigated

I'm fairly gobsmacked that there seems no way to shut that pair down.

Their Q & A on their website (gendergp.co.uk/questions_answers/) is fairly alarming. Can be summed up as "we know best and anyone who says otherwise is a transphobe".