Patient of webberlys commits suicide

And yes, it took multiple assessments and tests with an ed psych before my son was diagnosed as ASD - about a year’s process all in all (and the wait to see an occupational therapist was 3 years).

Originally, you didn’t need a face to face meeting with GenderGP, just Skype consultations.

That’s still the case with trans identifying males (testosterone is a controlled drug, oestrogen is not).

Here’s a recent GenderGp timeline from a 17 year FtM

Fucking hell.

Two months, and a month of that was the Christmas break and waiting for GP to do bloods.

I feel sick.

jessica

Is it also true that for some of these conditions it also requires parents to do a parenting course on top?

As you say all you get is a piece of paper. No medication or anything.

This is bloody scary that you can get hormones and affect your body for life having met them once.

Wheres the follow up care?

Doesnt autism fir example require a week long assessment. Actually being viewed for that time?

It depends but if you get a proper psychiatric assessment that is more widely accepted, the actual process takes around a month, or more. Our daughter had more appointments than we did, probably about 3 on her own, one with us, plus teacher reports and previous psychologist reports. Her father and I had a 4 hour meeting where we answered very specific and difficult questions which get marked at the end to help determine her overall assessment. It’s very lengthy, it was difficult for us in particular as we had to remember things from many years before, and they’re really looking in older people for any indication behaviour has been learnt- in our case from her autistic dad. And of course at the end we aren’t getting hormones or anything which would require, in my opinion, medical tests.

Trying to get thyroid hormones for actual medical conditions which affect every function and every cell in the human body, even with test results, is harder it seems than a young troubled person getting puberty blockers or sex hormones.

So there appears to be a couple of questionnaires ( where people could lie )

And one face to face meeting? Then a prescription.

And if gender go are so good how come appointments are available that quickly. You couldn't get a tattoo from a reasonable studio that quickly.

And where are the restrictions on the internet making sure no one under 18 is purchasing or getting medications?

So much there that could go wrong.

Doesnt autism fir example require a week long assessment. Actually being viewed for that time ?

And how do you get the gp to give a blood test for no reason? Would that not flag up that someone was about to do something ?

This one is a 20 year old MtF

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/b4l35w/my_gendergp_timeline_2019_edition/

The Reddit transgender U.K. board is absolutely full of this stuff.

Here’s a recent GenderGp timeline from a 17 year FtM -

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/b0kvtd/gendergp_timeline_ftm_17_years_old/

Terrifying, isn't it?

And how do they check medical records to make sure they arent prescribing drugs that will interact with stuff other drs have prescribed?

The GMC need to look at the information that Gender GP holds on Jayden for starters. Cos I genuinely don't think that a full team of clinicians made that initial assessment. Psychologists and therapists making assessments (that a patient is actually the opposite sex) without even meeting the patient? Really?

How does it work with illegal clinics and prescriptions? Do they post it? How do they get the pads?

Is there no code or data base pharmacists have to type in ?

Or do they send the medication. How do unregistered clinics get the medication? Dont they have to have a license to purchase or could they he any old shit off the internet?

Telling people who may have literal thinking that suicide ideation is to be expected is criminal.

That poor family. I hope they get their second inquest and that the answers help them in their grief. Just horrific.

I do think that there should be a second inquest, as Jayden's family have asked.

I'm also hoping that the GMC are investigating this fully, now that the inquest is over. Maybe that would give Jayden's parents some answers.

The GMC need to look at the information that Gender GP holds on Jayden for starters. Cos I genuinely don't think that a full team of clinicians made that initial assessment. Psychologists and therapists making assessments (that a patient is actually the opposite sex) without even meeting the patient? Really?

Oh, and of course the clinic was operating illegally at the time, let's not forget that.

If Jayden's parents were to investigate legal action against GenderGP (via crowdfunding), I think a lot of people would support that. GenderGP needs to be accountable.

I feel so bad for Jayden’s family right now. My DD has autism, late diagnosis, and it really feels like a battle to get help or even just understanding- I had yet another email from a teacher last week insisting my DD get better at communication and this teacher ‘knew she was capable’, the fact she has severe anxiety around school seems lost on this biology teacher who considers herself an ‘expert’ in autism. I cannot imagine how I would cope if my DD’s gender non conformity was somehow used to convince her she would feel better as a boy. I just find this case so sad and as a parent of an autistic girl, really scary. Teachers and persons of authority can be patronising and controlling when your child has special needs. This must of felt like an impossible situation and scary and confusing for Jayden. One thing I’m aware of, both with my child and some youtubers, is that those on the spectrum often don’t recognise troubling emotions until they become very serious. This is a heartbreaking story and I am just appalled the Webberleys can carry on doing this kind of damage.,

In that Mirror story they refer to a statement by the Webberlys saying 'the treatment is reversible'. Is that not an outright 'unknown' (if not even a lie)?

(I hope by speaking out, the family have highlighted the dangers of what is happening, and more people open their eyes. If not, that makes me very afraid*

The only thing scarier than this is the fact that had they managed to access and affirm.straight away somewhere else we probably never would have heard of Jayden. They would be a statistic no one dares mention as it would prove it's notthe amazing cure all, all these activists are claiming it is.

We only know of this because while waiting lists are so long, while people who point out its autistic children and lesbians falling prey to this are shut down, theres something else and someone else to blame.

The most common starting medication prescribed by the Webberley’s is Testogel.

The side effects listed are those noted by men using it (of course!) but it’s the only info available. Depressive moods are listed as a side effect.

www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/6808/pil

The idea that these drugs can be taken with very little, indirect, supervision (read the Reddit transgenderuk for details) is really horrifying.

I have Asperger's. I know that each of us understand and interprets language differently, but I know that my brain would have interpreted being told that I would feel suicidal literally, as a fact, not just something to bear in mind. I'm 40 now, and my brain still does that even though I am aware of it and try to mitigate it.

It is bordering on the criminal communicating in such a manner, with children (and adults) who are likely to interpret words literally, such as with people with autism. Especially when, as I understand it, there is more gender non-conformity and gender dysphoria in children with autism/Asperger's especially, so will be seeking help.

This poor dead child, and their family have been exploited during a time of great vulnerability. This is the logical end-point of this kind of manipulative and exploitative ideology and the systems and people that allow it - dead humans. I hope by speaking out, the family have highlighted the dangers of what is happening, and more people open their eyes. If not, that makes me very afraid.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were behind the "information" pack that arrived in the post

It certainly doesn’t make any sense that the Tavi scaremongered about suicide - they’ve said that their own figures are very low, can’t remember the reference - was it Polly Carmichael on the Channel 4 Transkids programme?

The gendergp press release is appalling. They conflate cross sex hormones (not reversible) with blockers (reversible in some ways). Then use anecdotal data from their own patient list (self selecting, no independent measures, no comparators with Jayden's particular range of issues) to justify the prescription. And then, somehow manage to say that the treatment they gave, which was the correct one - they say- didn't avoid suicide.

One thing is true. There is nothing available for young people on the waiting list for the gender clinic. No other health professional dares discuss the issue. There is only other trans people telling you that without hormone treatment and surgery your life isn't worth living. It's a complete and utter mess, and vulnerable young men and women, many of whom are autistic, are the victims.

This is an appalling story and as the parent of an ASD pre teen it chills my blood. More and more I think all I can do is screen him from this lunatic ideology as much as possible, because once it has its hooks in, all that state services will do is reinforce it.
Thank god for the narrow range of interests. All he wants to look at online at the moment are cars and old episodes of top gear.

Jayden's parents were doing more thsnparents usually do to prevent harm. The smallholding life, caring gor and taking responsibility for animals, helping J get a job at the co-op, working at the joinery. All the thibgs which ought to be antidotes to hothouse virtual reality on Tumblr and so on, and yet this impossible identity ideology still got its hooks in and the Webberlys made money off it. It's just horrible.

Poor Jayden, such a tragic loss for the family
Clearly very much loved and accepted by family and friends.
The illegally acquired hormones weren't the solution. Proper mental health support was what Jayden needed.

Poor Jayden, and his parents

The Webberleys are despicable

My heart breaks for this generation of lesbians- there is nobody standing up for them

I am extremely concerned by the fact that this tragedy will undoubtedly be "weaponised" to reinforce the argument for harmful medicalisation pathways and further transideology

I am also extremely concerned that people lole the webberlys can effectively use this get out of jail free card. They can afford to be reckless and and promote their services as a quick fix via these troubled teens and young adults all whilst having the unacceptable wait ( and of course its unacceptable people are having to wait so long to be seen) from NHS services as something to blame and take the heat off them when it all goes wrong.