Patient of webberlys commits suicide

From Reddit r/transgenderUK, written by a 20 year old male person, and discussing the sole 40min phone/skype call and a questionnaire they ask you to undertake before they issue a formal diagnosis - the only gatekeeping before they dish out the pills, by the look of it.

QUESTIONER: That was really useful, thanks for sharing! Quick question - did they require you to have a diagnosis of gender identity disorder from a therapist before they'd accept you?

OP, RESPONDING: No not at all, I am under the impression the questionnaire and first counselling session gives them the information they need to diagnose you. A lot of the questions in the questionnaire lean into leading you to provide answers that fit their framing, so my interpretation is that these are more like formalities rather than being legitimate gatekeeping from my own point of view.

They aren't doctors, they're fucking dealers.

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/7urree/my_experience_with_gender_gp/

So BOTH of the nurses on the GenderGP payroll have trans children, who ‘came out’ before the age of 12

This needs highlighting

all the people listed are 'person centred counsellors', not MH professionals.

This is terrible.

Holy fuck. That Kim Stephenson IS a nurse (and there is only one Kim Stephenson registered with the NMC in the south east).

So BOTH of the nurses on the GenderGP payroll have trans children, who ‘came out’ before the age of 12.

I’ve been looking for a nurse Kim Stephenson located in Brighton/Hove.

Not found any leads on a nurse yet, but I did find a mother of a trans child who started medical transition AGED 11.
Mother runs the parent support group for Allsorts Brighton:

(Content warning, Mermaids! Suicide!)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=-JXLnljzVRM

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/10/11/youtuber-comes-out-as-trans-after-being-on-youtube-for-over-two-years/

Gender GP is an online unregulated business owned by two doctors currently suspended from practising medicine in the UK

Its MO is 'Gender Affirmation'

from Gender GP website, 'Therapy Team' lead:

"Marianne Oakes (Dip Couns)
About Marianne

Marianne Oakes is a person-centred counsellor working as head of the psychological support team at GenderGP, an online clinic specialising in the multidisciplinary treatment of gender questioning patients. In her role at GenderGP, Marianne works with transgender and gender-questioning clients providing both one to one therapy and couples counselling. Marianne came into this particular branch of therapy after struggling to find a counsellor with the right experience and qualifications to help her with her own journey as a transgender woman.

Over the years she has made many friends who also identify as transgender and in many cases their partners. Marianne has also witnessed her own family’s struggles coming to terms with her gender identity, an experience which has given her the unique insight she brings to her own practice.

While Marianne has a particular affinity with trans identified adults, she is also keen to work more closely with gender questioning children and their families, offering psychological support for the children themselves, and more ambitiously, setting up group therapy online for parents. Marianne aims to create a non-judgmental space in which parents can talk openly about their own issues in relation to their child’s transition."

all the people listed are 'person centred counsellors', not MH professionals.

gendergp.co.uk/therapy-team/

This is deeply concerning.

DuMondeB Sally Coles has a transgender child!

Christ on a motherfucking bike. I despair.
When this all goes tits up and people involved in this are finally held accountable for their part in widespread child abuse, it's going to be impossible to to point out we were wildly waving the receipts months and years beforehand.

I wonder at the identity of the person described as a transwoman teacher. I'm aware of a school local to me that outsources the running of their LGBT group to a local trans lobbying group; the people running the groups are not teachers. If this is the case at Jayden's school what were the qualifications of the person running the group and what oversight did the school have in place re safeguarding/DBS.

Side effects of Testogel (observed in men), from the packet insert:

One thing I find very interesting...

Jayden committed suicide after taking hormone medication of an unknown description for two months; not while waiting for medication, not while waiting for treatment, but two months after receiving the prescription.

This suggests to me that Jayden had begun taking the medication.

I know, from experience, that medication that affects, inhibits or enhances oestrogen levels in females can have bizarre outcomes. My sister had an extraordinary reaction to clomid, for example, a medication that blocks the oestrogen receptors in the hypothalamus. When she called the clinic that prescribed it, they knew that, in some women, the medication "turned them into axe murderers".

And that's pretty much a direct quote.

I've also heard reports from transman that testosterone strongly affected their mental state...to the point that it changed their personality and they were so disturbed by the change, they stopped taking it.

I'll stop my comment there as I don't want to go further. But it's worrying that young people are being encouraged to take meds that might have significant adverse effects. Very worrying.

Sally Coles has a transgender child!

nursinginpractice-events.co.uk/speaker/sally-coles/

They seem to have a couple of nurses doing their face to face appointments in the U.K. now (Sally Coles and Kim Stephenson):

app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=13003366

OldCrone, thanks for the link.

www.clearchemist.co.uk/doctor/talk-to-a-doctor

"Clear Chemist’s online doctor, Dr Webberley, can help you with all of your health concerns. There are a number of ways to contact her and she will aim to answer your queries as soon as she can. ‘Online GP Services LTD’ can prescribe or arrange treatment that can be sent to you through the post or arrange for you to pick it up from one of our pharmacies".

No mention of Helen Webberley being suspended from the GMC.

I will also complain about it.

Does their move to Spain mean they will no longer need to carry out any face to face appointments?

I complained to the regulators about the Clear Chemist site nearly a month ago regarding their use of a suspended doctor.
medicine-seller-register.mhra.gov.uk/report/

Nothing appears to have been done, and I haven't heard back from them despite asking to be informed of any action taken.

Clear Chemist and the Webberleys have some kind of business arrangement - not sure if they own or part-own Clear Chemist themselves?

This is such an upsetting story. The similarities to my daughter, without the gender dysphoria, are quite shocking. This could have been very different for Jayden.

One thing I was thinking of bringing to the Daily Mails attention, is that a child isn’t denied treatment, they’re denied hormones. While it’s not adequate, there is therapy and support available. Why not concentrate on improving the types of therapy available to young people while they wait to become an adult and able to access hormones if they still want to, on their own. The wait and watch approach is absolutely the right thing to do, but along with watching we need better therapy and improved resources for CAMHS too. Autism is so misunderstood in girls, I just despair at the senseless loss. The pain when my DD was having suicidal thoughts, it was almost unbearable. I got no support, no one at all offered me anything and I tried so many different organisations and our GP of course. These parents, and Jayden, should not suffer like this.

None of the established private gender clinics (GenderCare, London Transgender Clinic etc) will prescribe to under 18s.
I think they might let a 17 year old make an appointment to take place after their 18th, but that’s all.

Until the Webberleys started up, the only option for minors was the NHS service at Tavistock and Portman or taking your child abroad (see Susie Green for an example).

Just adding the Mail link to this story. They aren't pulling any punches about the Webberleys:

He was buying the £360-a-year treatment from Helen and Mike Webberley, who have since moved their clinic Online GP Services Ltd from Wales to Spain after being refused a licence from the NHS.

The couple have also been suspended by the GMC having been told their care 'fell below the standards expected' in the treatment of three transgender patients prescribed puberty blockers and hormones. They have treated children as young as 12, it has emerged.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7200189/Mothers-agony-transgender-son-18-took-life-months-paying-hormone-therapy.html

Ok so looking at that website it has I'm capital letters about proof of identity

So when the webberlys order through them how do they get round that as surely their would he checks run? Wouldnt they flag up as not being legal?

How does it work with illegal clinics and prescriptions? Do they post it?

The Webberleys work with Clear Chemist, who will supply the drugs by post once the Webberleys have written the prescription.

None of them are reporting followup care.

So what are they paying for with the monthly fee? One was 17 one was a 20 yr old student where was the money even coming from ?

They really are having the NHS do all the work for them . Get the bloods done . Treat them in a&e when the side effects kick in and they get paid monthly for what?

Originally, you didn’t need a face to face meeting with GenderGP, just Skype consultations.

That is so bad. In desperation early on in my illnesses, I saw a doctor based in NZ at the time, British, who did skype consults for hormone disorders, specialising in the thyroid. He did order tests first, quite extensive, before prescribing anything. But as he turned out to be a bit of a dick and not listening to me, he put me on every hormone under the sun and I blew up like a balloon and he just told me to eat more protein... I checked his credentials and contacted the NZ medical council. They told me he was in violation of his licence prescribing and not having had a face to face appointment.

In-person appointments only began in November 2018 (from the Webberley’s own website: gendergp.co.uk/patient-update-from-dr-mike-webberley/) so Jayden would’ve had an online only assessment.