The Times: Feminists celebrate U-turn on self-identification in Scotland as women’s prisons review trans policy

‘whistleblower said the tiny number of trans prisoners in Scotland’s female jails had been responsible for a “quite horrific” number of incidents towards women inmates, including threats of rape.’

The shocking thing is that anyone is shocked by this. It wasn’t so much foreseeable as guaranteed to happen.

James Morton, of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said: “We appreciate that there are genuinely held concerns about gender recognition reform and we have always been happy to engage in discussion to resolve those concerns.

No you haven't you fucking liar. You called women who had concerns 'transphobic bigots' and repeated 'no debate over and over'.

I have to say though, watching this being dragged out into the sunlight in real time and watching the back peddle begin, is really quite satisfying.

YY. It's great that these example were in the article to show that it's not all about toilets.

The Sunday Times has learnt that Scotland’s prison service, which already has a de facto self-identification policy, is to review it after a whistleblower said the tiny number of trans prisoners in Scotland’s female jails had been responsible for a “quite horrific” number of incidents towards women inmates, including threats of rape.

There really isn't a responses to this which would come anywhere near adequately expressing my actual reaction.

Earlier this year, a Scottish transgender sex attacker who preyed on young girls in supermarket lavatories was sent to live in a women-only hostel.

Nor this.

They may not give a single fuck about women, and be perfectly happy allow them to be assaulted by sex offenders whilst unable to escape.

But they must be dumb as fuck to think the female electorate will accept it.

Bugger, try again

Oh really? What was 'no debate' about then

They have always been very happy to talk to people who agree with them ...

Oh really? What was 'no debate' about then

James Morton, of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said: “We appreciate that there are genuinely held concerns about gender recognition reform and we have always been happy to engage in discussion to resolve those concerns. But there is also a concerted campaign trying to roll back the existing legal rights of trans people.”

"we have always been happy to engage in discussion"

Oh really? What was 'no debate' about then?

But there is ... a concerted campaign trying to roll back the existing legal rights of trans people. women”

James, I have fixed it for you.

Excellent article.

I liked the inclusion of Dolatowski, prison, the school guidance and Bex Stinson's comment about working behind closed doors.

Actually, I liked all of it.

Engender’s income last year was £335,000, of which £301,000 came from the Scottish government

More on this here:

twitter.com/DidyouRedo/status/1143247909762342913?s=19

Effectively ScotGov is paying orgs to lobby ScotGov (and paying some orgs multiple times under multiple names)

Fantastic news.

I still remain shocked that there are people who couldn't see/chose to ignore the inevitable.

See also: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-concerned-gender-laws-are-vote-killer-f2x5smwds?fbclid=IwAR3G9vgnRZJUvo7no7vL89OuVtapnW4VfwUEDcNv5JoLhgxl1DBJNNxBnOY

Excerpts:

Controversial reform of gender law in Scotland is unlikely to take effect for at least two years, The Sunday Times has learnt.

Their preference is for a draft bill to be published towards the end of this year or early 2020, which would almost certainly delay the new law until after the next election. The disclosure will dismay equality campaigners who expect the draft bill to be drawn up swiftly when MSPs return to parliament after the summer.

The Scottish government has said it is committed to updating the Gender Recognition Act but that new legislation will only be introduced after further consultation is held to build “maximum consensus”.

A senior SNP source told this newspaper of a growing consensus within party ranks to prevent the law from taking effect before May 2021.

The group Engender, which calls itself “Scotland’s feminist policy and advocacy organisation”.... Engender’s income last year was £335,000, of which £301,000 came from the Scottish government

Scottish Trans Alliance, part of the Equality Network, a state-funded LGBT lobbying body, helped to devise the policy... The Equality Network’s income last year was £466,000, of which £427,000 came from the Scottish government

I found that interesting.
Women are 51% of the population.
LGBT are less than 10% of the population.

Good piece of journalism and also great news
Well done FPFW etc!

It’s weird though that anyone with any sense could see what would happen

Imuagine being trapped in a place 24 hours a day with a man who is threatening you

Why do women have to be hurt before someone sees sense

The Sunday Times has learnt that Scotland’s prison service, which already has a de facto self-identification policy, is to review it after a whistleblower said the tiny number of trans prisoners in Scotland’s female jails had been responsible for a “quite horrific” number of incidents towards women inmates, including threats of rape.

Well done that brave whistleblower. Women in prisons are entitled to feel safe and be protected against male violence under international human rights guidelines. Our prison services have been failing women in the UK.

P.14 “Women prisoners shall be detained separately from male prisoners.104”

www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publications/training11Add3en.pdf

What a fantastic start to the day!