would you date someone who is gender critical?

Honestly if anyone believed in gender and gender theory I'd avoid at all costs.

So yes, I'd only date someone who is gender critical and who doesn't believe unicorns live at the end of the rainbow.

Not everyone on mums net is gender critical and some might find it a turn off

I'm not. I enjoy online debating and arguing on here but in real life I'd probably back away from someone who told me they were gender critical and told me quite as often as posters on here do. I don't centre trans issues as the most important thing affecting women.

but if we are asking if people want to date trans people then. We can also ask the opersite

You can ask but I really don't think the 2 compare. Your question is more akin to the would you date someone with diametrically opposing political or religious views and beliefs - e.g I'm very unlikely to date a rugby playing, SNP supporter who is an elder of The Free Church of Scotland (if it has elders)

What Prawn said. And I wouldn’t date anyone who was either daft enough or misogynist enough to believe in gender over sex.

Not sure what this means. Are you saying that there ARE enough lesbians who date transwomen and gay men who date transmen? Surely this is exactly the opposite of what they are complaining about?

Well, quite. The whole point of the original thread was the claim that it was mean and cruel not to have sex with trans people. Men who identify as women are constantly banging on about the bigots who don't see them as viable sexual or relationship partners. Transmen keep pretty schtum on the subject, doubtless due to their female socialization

And btw: I'm a bit older, but these days, is "dating" a synonym for "have sex with

It is. It's the new terminology. It's like FWB. 30+ years ago I had male friends I sometimes had sex with but the phrase "friends with benefits" hadn't been invented then. And dating wasn't a word we used. It was going out with or getting off with.

Bisexual women may date TW but lesbians don't. Lesbians are female homosexuals who have sex exclusively with other females. Words have meanings, Bespin.

I don't really understand the point of this thread tbh. What are you trying to say OP?

I would only date a GC person. I don't mind if someone doesn't want to date me because I am GC. I highly doubt they would be for me anyway

Although I do think it's pretty violent to suggest you might find GC views a turn off, let's hope no GC died as a result of your views.

You've committed literal violence against me OP.

I think a more relevant question is why is this only an issue for women to fix. Why are almost all discussions about this about transwomen and lesbians?

simular to there being enough none gender critical poeple that trans people do not need to date them or lesbians who do date trans woman and gay men that do date trans men. There is someone for everyone

Not sure what this means. Are you saying that there ARE enough lesbians who date transwomen and gay men who date transmen? Surely this is exactly the opposite of what they are complaining about?

And btw: I'm a bit older, but these days, is "dating" a synonym for "have sex with"?

For me, "dating" would be a preliminary to a long-term relationship leading hopefully to marriage and children; that's the reason I wouldn't date a trans person

Weird question, Bespin, because the whole point of the other thread was that readers were being told trans people were at "higher risk of mental illness and suicidal thoughts or actions than the rest of the population" and that not dating them contributed to that. It was a bizarre plea that other people date/have sex with them, essentially out of pity.

That thread focused on this rapey and unreasonable position.

There is no equivalence here. No gender critical person has ever suggested that other people date them for the sake of their MH. Or for any reason at all.

To answer the question, I couldn't ever contemplate being in a relationship with a man who wasn't gender critical. I'm a feminist, FFS.

I often wonder what DH would say about this great pile of stinking ordure. It would be pithy and amusing, that's for sure

pregnantandsuffering

Here’s a definition cut and pasted from urban dictionary

“gender critical
The perspective, theory, or philosophy that gender isn't an innate, essential, or deterministic quality of human existence. Rather that gender is a social construction and oppressive hierarchy, that biology is our objective reality, and that all humans are free to express themselves within and without sexual stereotypes.”

But then we wouldn't see it.

Exactly.

I’ve never dated a man who thought it was possible to change sex, and I wouldn’t.

Are gender critical women constantly moaning that not enough people will have sex with them and hurling insults/abuse/aggression at people they would like to have sex with who say "no"?

Thought not.

TW are doing this though.

It's not really a comparable question though.

For the vast majority of people biology and genitals matter when deciding if they would like to engage in a sexual relationship. That's the premise of the other thread.

This is about views. People with strong diametrically opposing views tend not to do well in relationships, whatever the topic. A TRA and a gender critical feminist are unlikely to make a good pairing, but for most people believing that biological sex matters and people have the right to reject sex with someone for any reason is unlikely to be a sticking point in a new relationship.

As a general rule, I think relationships don’t tend to last in the long run if the people involved hold fundamentally incompatible views.

So I can’t see a relationship between someone who’s very gender critical and someone who’s very pro-trans having much chance of lasting unless one of them changes their way of thinking.

But I think there’s enough people out there who are gender critical (or at least have no strong feelings on the subject) for gender critical people to find dates.

Balance would be to post that question on a trans forum surely?

But then we wouldn't see it.

With eurochick on this ine

Balance would be to post that question on a trans forum surely?

The only thing thats worse than being talked about, is not being talked out right?

Not everyone on mumsnet is gender critical but you’ll struggle to find anyone on the feminism forum who isn’t.

Personally for me it would depend. I wouldn’t let it put me off at first but if they ever displayed transphobic views, they’d be out the door.

I'm not dating but if I were, it would be "exclusively".
What an odd question for Feminism Chat.

What does gender critical mean?

You’re hardly going to get a variety of answers on this forum, OP.