"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

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Don’t most people through their romantic /dating history reject more people from their dating pool than they would consider just because of .....reasons.

And that should be that surely because otherwise aren’t we denying people the option to refuse choice and consent and isn’t that getting a bit erm like rape??

Do ugly people suffer too then? ARe we literally killing ugly people by opting for attractive partners?

Idris Elba is literally killing me

He's a mass murderer.

Pol Pot has nothing on that guy.

And Idris just gets away with the genocide. Even rubs our faces in it by getting married. To a woman.

Shows the state of this country in 2019.

I know of a woman who did this, went out with a transman even though she's straight. She was very woke, very TWAW. She fancied someone she thought was a guy and the person turned out to be a pre-op transman on testosterone. When she found out she thought she'd be transphobic if she backed out. They ended up living together for about a year. It never worked but she'd convinced herself that she'd be a terrible person if she left. Eventually they did break up. It seems like both she and the transman were just horribly depressed by the whole thing.
She's a grown woman, in her thirties. If an adult can end up in that situation because of this kind of guilt-tripping nonsense, imagine how many teenagers will be trying to ignore their own instincts for the sake of someone else's feelings.

Two words: eliot fletcher. Ooft.

Straight lass here and never really thought about whether or not I would have dated a transman or not (because I've never actually met one that I know of) but i'd date Elliot fletcher that's for sure. You fancy what you fancy and i bet a lot of the people that say no to that question, it's possibly because they've never had reason to consider it. I guess it is sad that they just assume they wouldn't but, heck, fifteen twenty years ago I wouldn't have thought I would date outside my race (because there was no one in my area that wasn't white so i never thought there would be the opportunity. So it wasnt even a consideration). Times change. People change. Sexual preferences change.

But no, people not fancying trans people is not 'basically killing them'. Their body dysmorphia and not being allowed to transition might be but how is having difficulty finding people to date (if they do) any different from your regular 'ugly' or 'spotty' or 'boring' person not being able to find someone to date? It sucks but people fancy what they fancy when and if they fancy it and that's all there is to it.

I suspect there's a correlation here with the online trans spaces popular with people (mostly males) who are newly trans identifying. Reddit being a prime example.

They offer constant affirmation that a person looks totally passable/like a super hot girlie girl etc...even if said person is 6ft 5 with a five o' clock shadow.

Unlike the more rigid, counselling based approach transsexuals used to have to undertake what we have now is a bunch of people brainwashed into believing up is down because a selfie of them in their sister's Hello Kitty t-shirt got 1000 up votes.

I recognise there were issues with the old process but there was at least an opportunity for physicians to talk frankly about the pitfalls of 'changing sex' and what was realistic.

"Also it is not about attractiveness you bell end."

It might be to some extent. Unattractive people do have a harder time getting dates in many cases than very good looking people. And it is difficult for a lot of trans persons to pass, and relatedly that can affect their attractiveness is perceived as well.

No one seems to care much though about people who don't get much sex because they are ugly.

Who could be arsed being with anyone so obsessed with appearance or who has to spend hours getting ready
It was reported that the male who won prom queen took 6 hours to get ready. Honestly life is too short
And that's apart from self obsession. A high %of trans people seem to have nothing else to talk about, or the ones I've met don't.

Idris - thought it was just me . The man's a monster

I can see another angle, a less guilt tripping rape-y one. People having physical surgery to treat a social issue, need to give proper informed consent which covers both the physical and the social. You will need drugs, you will be infertile, you will have a much smaller dating pool, you will be unlikely to pass... do you still agree. honesty needs to be a part of this, not the idea that society will "catch up with the progressive and superior way you see the world."

If vulnerable people are being lied to, told they will be actual men/women, that we can just stick a uterus in, that they will be glamorous and attractive - that is wrong and really sad for them.

But just as previous research was done on the acceptance of different races into the American culture and dating pool, Blair argues her research will serve to illuminate the underlying “prejudice” that leads the straight community to find transgenders unattractive.

Oh my actual fucking god. This is really gross. Also it is not about attractiveness you bell end.

By ' date' does this mean have sex with them? I wouldn't have sex with the following:

Someone with a beard
Someone much older than me
Someone who has a gender identity crisis

Curious how being dated 'at a higher rate' has not made civilisation any safer for women

Right?

Not only is it really really fucked up and creepy to write an article complaining about who groups of people choose to be romantic and sexual with, the reasoning makes no sense whatsoever. It’s really sickening to think anyone owes you a fucking date. We like who we like and it’s none of your god damn business! Nobody should want to steer people in any particular direction when it comes to love and sex. Mind your business.

Idris Elba is literally killing me

He's a mass murderer.

Idris Elba is literally killing me

Important post pinned to the top of the relationships board: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

Women are being asked to accept pity based sports which is all about abandoning personal feelings, ambitions, financial rewards, careers and interests in order to take the shitty end of the deal and prioritise the needs of male born people with trans identities. This is a non reciprocal relationship. Those male born people feel women owe this to them and aren't remotely interested in meeting any needs or feelings of those women, or even allowing those women to talk about them. This = abusive relationship. Regardless of how utterly lovely the male born person may be.

If this is asking for relationships on those same terms.... well lesbians know this one. They've already been told to get on with practicing with cock until they learn to cope with it - their sexual pleasure or needs doesn't enter into it, it's of no interest in the relationship, this is about duty to service a male born person's desires. They only need to learn to 'cope' - I suppose that means just find somewhere to cry afterwards where that person can't see you, and deal privately with the tormenting suspicioun that you are a person too, who could be having sex that fulfils and excites you, with someone who cares about you and your needs and desires, that you could be your authentic self, and that there ought to be a way for lesbian women to escape this fate of staying locked in a box for social reasons. And wondering why, having escaped this box once in the 20th century, some lesbians are so very bent on getting everyone back in it again. It's like some kind of masochism.

I have no idea if I'd date a trans person of the biological sex I'm attracted to; I couldn't know without meeting them. But anyone wedded to a political ideology campaigning hard to remove sex based rights from women without caring or even acknowledging there is harm in this and serious exclusion for those women; to remove and reduce child safeguarding to further the freedoms of male born people; who believes their identity and meeting the needs of it is a larger priority than their partner's bodily autonomy; who believes that women are generally of lesser rights, feelings, humanity and worth less consideration than people with trans identities.... not people I'd consider having a cup of coffee with, never mind dating. Absolutely not relationship material.

Evolution won’t happen at all if a chunk of the population is sterile surely?

I wouldn’t date someone who smoked, or who had young children, or took drugs, or was heavily religious. I can say this anytime, anywhere, and no one bats an eyelid. But if I say I wouldn’t date a trans person.......

I wouldn't date a trans person no. I firmly believe that gender stereotypes should be dismantled and as trans people rely heavily on the stereotypes to validate their identity then our world views are so far apart that they can never be reconciled. There are a lot of other types of people I also wouldn't date for those reasons. Someone who was extremely religious as one example.

Conventional wisdom if your single for whatever reason you should love yourself and not be defined by your relationship status. Not massively convinced why that should be any different for trans people. External validation is an unhealthy source to prop up any psyche with.

Study Claims Transgenders Suffering Because Straight People Aren’t Dating Them

That's a shocking headline, blaming 'straight people' for having a sexual orientation.