"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

I wouldn't be interested in dating a transman or a transwoman, I only like men who present as masculine. Like even with David Bowie, although I was a fan I didn't like the whole man dress thing, though there's nothing wrong with cross dressing of course, it's just a turn off to me.
Not only that, but some trans people seem to think that no one will actually notice, well that might conceivably be possible if it's in the dark and there's no foreplay, but I've never had sex like that. I'd expect to be familiar with every bit of my partners body before we had sex. I just think it's quite strange.

Ultimately, we’re mammals, we have mammalian instincts.

A mix up of primary and secondary sex characteristics isn’t going to appeal to most mammals, because on the very rare occasions it might occur in the animal kingdom, it would likely indicate infertility.

I was thinking about this earlier today, wondering if trans people are having any proper counselling before deciding to trans, and being advised about all the hurt feelings and lack of sex that are awaiting.

Pretty sure that such a thing would count as "conversion therapy".

What's transphobic about wanting to be in a relationship with someone with an actual penis, not a manufactured one?

On the actual thread subject: is anyone surprised? We knew this was coming. The real question is has the indoctrinating of the woke been thorough enough to prevent the majority from objecting?

Why do you think young people are the main target of the gender identity ideology?

The attempted suicide rate ranges from 29.9 to 50.8 percent among transgender adolescents according to a paper released by the American Academy of Pediatrics in 2018 — research often cited by even the most ardent LGBT advocacy groups

I found the wording really weird on this. "Cited by even the most ardent LGBT advocacy groups". Surely they are the most likely to claim it?!

On the actual thread subject: is anyone surprised? We knew this was coming. The real question is has the indoctrinating of the woke been thorough enough to prevent the majority from objecting? Many men will disagree but most won't do anything other than laugh as they won't feel the intimidation and it wouldn't occur to them that some will. A lot will agree in principle
with the article but just "happen" to not be in a situation where they will face the choice.

So what we are looking for are people who not only see the ridiculousness but see how people will be abused by it and have the interest and drive to speak out without being afraid of being ostracised for not being sufficiently woke. So a bit of a tall order!

I once split up with someone because he wore shorts.. shoes.. and socks. He'd always looked ok until that warm day in May. Sexual attraction went as quickly as that.

Whining about rejection is soooo sexy.

My ex-husband sure thought so.

Or, actually, he was just kind of a selfish, narcissistic arsehole who didn't give a fuck whether or not I was up for it so long as he got "his" sex.

To his eternal surprise and nobody else's, this was a major factor in me walking out on him.

Whinging and guilt-tripping are two of the most categorically unsexy attributes in anyone.

I don't know how older me will feel (should I ever end up single again, I'm married now) but younger me would've been pretty much disinterested in trans men from the off given I wanted a family and an active hetero sex life. There are things you figure out pretty quickly about people which affect the way you look at them, and you discount them from your potential interest list on that basis. It can be anything. Not just transness. Dating is by nature pretty ruthless and exclusive.

Different story if you meet someone, fall in love and then find out, but even if you can get past the lack of honesty on their part that sort of complete life upside down impact might leave you feeling different anyway. You'd feel like you never truly knew them at all.

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I haven't 'dated' for years and don't particularly have any interest in doing so. Does this make me genocidal then?

I had a long meeting a few days ago with a Trans person. A Trans woman. She was a very attractive person. I really liked her, funny, kind, intelligent, fab body with lots of great men’s body features, and women’s too. If I didn’t more time with her we’d have a laugh, and she is the kind of person I would rnjy bring friends with.

She has a mostly male body. She hasn’t had ‘bottom surgery ‘ (she told me). But I just would never fancy her because her presentation is feminine / female / womanly.

I have socialised with Trans Men. Same thing: the presentation just doesn’t do it for me, the body just isn’t male.

Oddly, maybe, I do sometimes fancy lesbian women. If they are wiry and tomboyish and have a wicked sense of humour, and give off s ‘glint ‘.

You can’t channel your lusts and physical attractions according to political correctness.

I wouldn't date a narc.

It definitely sounds like incel rhetoric. Nobody owes any other person a date, sex, or a relationship. It's as if they think consent is the default, and withdrawing it is bigoted. That isn't how it works.

If someone feels suicidal because they can't find a partner, that's sad for them. The solution is for them to get therapy. Not to try to guilt-trip others into dating them.

Whining about rejection is soooo sexy.

If your white friend told you they would never consider dating a black person would you think less of them? Yes.

I also say "Why?" to this. If someone genuinely doesn't find black people physically attractive, like people can be turned off by all kinds of physical attributes that are not their thing, but treats black people they meet with complete respect, I'm not sure what they're doing wrong.

I'm even less sure when I think that the cure would be for them having to be willing to date people they don't find attractive. Which takes us back to incel territory.

Well according to that tweet we are all supposed to accept that strap ons are just as good as cis men’s dicks. So that really shouldn’t stop us.

Except I quite like my partner to have rather a lot of sensation in his appendage because funnily enough his enjoyment is quite important to me.

Not to mention the fact that I don’t find the idea of having a gigantic bit of rubber/plastic inserted IN me particularly pleasant, in fact the idea makes me wince at the idea of the pain.

But my pain wouldn’t matter I suppose. So I’ll just accept my label of Bigot, Transphobe etc.

That headline reads like something an incel would write about women. What's the difference really?

Well quite, Michelleoftheresistance.

And there's the angle that suicidally depressed people are extremely unattractive. Misery and a strong whiff of imbalance. No thanks. Drives people away like little else. And I speak as someone who has been suicidally depressed.

At my age I am not going to date, never mind what my husband would have to say about it if I did.

People date because they like and are attracted to another person. They are also entitled, and are at liberty to, turn down an offer of a date with no questions asked.

It's coming to something if we are considered prejudiced for not wanting to date a transman. I wouldn't want to have a relationship other than friendship with a transman. I'm a heterosexual woman, why would I be dating a woman? Because a transman is and always will be basically a woman with some modifications.

Suicide stats never include co morbidities, particularly Autism, anorexia and other issues that have high suicide rates, which doesn't help get a true picture of what the issues are.

And the answer to people feeling suicidal is sorting out proper, responsive, high quality mental health support. Not pressuring people to try and medicate them with sex. Getting involved with a someone sufficiently depressed and struggling with their identity to the point of suicide is a really, really bad move for both people. Anything that puts the responsibility for a person's feelings onto others and helps them avoid dealing with them is not healthy or helpful. This is basically an appeal for people to get into co-dependency.

Sexual validation isn't a treatment for suicidal feelings. And if it was, it would not be something the general public should be trying to treat on an amateur basis, surely?

Totally agree LetsSplashMummy

The truth might be hurtful, but it's less harmful in the long run.

I was going to post who the mass exclusions from my potential dating pool would be and it made me sound horrible. Basically on purely physical looks white, Northern European men. And then men who have no or very weak religious beliefs , whose politics are moderate centre left or centre right and in my social class. And anyone who prefers sport over the arts need not bother applying either

Just re-read that- to be clear , that isn't who I'm excluding but who is getting into my pool.

If your white friend told you they would never consider dating a black person would you think less of them? Yes.

Why? If you don't find a certain characteristic attractive then you don't find it attractive. It's not a value judgement. Unless you mean someone who does find black people attractive but still refuses to date them specifically because they're making a value judgement.

50%, 50% of trans people have attempted suicide that's an awfully hign number, but thankfully not true. Did they ever read that research paper they have linked?
RESULTS: Nearly 14% of adolescents reported a previous suicide attempt; disparities by gender identity in suicide attempts were found. Female to male adolescents reported the highest rate of attempted suicide (50.8%)

Sex and dating is a funny business. What TRAs don't seem to get is that fancying someone =/= wanting to sleep with them. I've read so many times things like "so if you found a man attractive then found out he had a vagina you'd suddenly stop being attracted to him?" Maybe not but I'd definitely stop wanting to sleep with him. Because I only like dick. That's it. It's not my only requirement, but it's a 100% necessity. Many years ago I had a mega crush on a woman. She was amazing, gorgeous, clever, fun. I'd never had feelings for a woman before and it hit me right between the eyes. She described herself as Bi when I met her and I know she had feelings for me too, but nothing happened between us because I just don't like vagina. Trust me, if I could have got over that I would have in a heartbeat. But every time I tried to imagine doing any more than kiss her I felt repulsed. I just don't like vaginas. It made me very very sad. Some time later she redefined herself as queer and started dating and TW. She talked about it being the ultimate fuck you to her homophobic extremely religious parents, that not only did she have a girlfriend but that her girlfriend had a penis. I just sort of nodded and smiled, realised I didn't have clue wtf she was talking about and made a mental note to go home and look it up. At which point I realise that not only did I not understand it, but no one else seemed to either. In many ways that was the start of my journey to becoming GC I think haha.