"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

I'm all for people dating whoever makes them happy, regardless of biological sex or how they perform gender. Pressuring people who are not attracted to your biological sex or to you in general to have sex with you out of some kind of feeling of social duty, shaming people into sex, bullying people into sex - that's not dating. That's coercion and rape culture, and yes, classic incel behaviour, it's looking for a co dependent or an abusive relationship from the outset. I will do whatever I can to help women recognise such dynamics and get the fuck away from them, and to have the confidence and assertiveness to say no. No way. Never to someone who treats me as less than them. And absolutely bloody no to someone homophobic who doesn't believe women are entitled to penis exclusionary sexual orientations, and that the duty of owning female anatomy is first and foremost to meet the needs of males.

As someone brilliantly put on Twitter yesterday: 'when you invest much time and effort in constructing a castle in the air, and then meet someone who declines to live in it'.

So on a sex level... my head just hurts. I guess they have shared experiences though.

Caitlin Jenner is dating a trans woman. They can date each other if they like

Not rtft. It's all coming across as a big con to try and force people to have sex with them. Now, which sex likes to force the other to have sex with them, and sulks when the other says no again? And which one is absolutely obsessed with sex, to the point that life isn't worth living without it? What we used to say to such people was: get a life.

These people really seem to lack self awareness and understand that other people have the right to define their own sexualities and boundaries. I am attracted to men, real biological men with penises. I have a feeling that straight men are not going to be too happy when they get told they are 'transphobic' for not sleeping men biological males who 'identify' as women.

On hang on, there's a word for that..

Incels

Such entitled nonsense!

Noones entitled to assume others have to have intimate encounters with them. Its rapey language.

You know it! If you dont, you bloody should entitled rapists!

I only like dark haired latinos that look like they play for a successful football team or men that look like they have just got off a viking boat with a man bun and beard. Anyone else doesn't get a look in.

Killing them softly. With your song. I think

Guns don’t kill people, not getting laid does

You know it

Killing how?
Killing them softly. With your song. I think.

I really don't care if an adult male is sad he can't get laid.

We need children to understand boundaries and the reality of being trans - being sterile and most likely unloved. Harsh but true.

Killing how? Who?

"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

How is anyone killing anyone? Very extreme language.

Sex IS a choice and must always remain a free choice. Anything else is rape FFS

Oh my god, "female penis" 😂

And now they're having Le Big Sad because they're learning its not just about penis; We don't find anything sexually desirable about the rest of them either

^^This.

I just can't keep a straight face at the phrase "female penis"

It's perfectly obvious to me that lesbians love female bodies in the same way that I love male ones.

Well, it should be to anyone with half a brain.

The trouble with these porn addled males is that they don't see us as human. They see us as wank receptacles in their fantasies. The idea that there might be any thought process going on in our heads (other than the ones they project from their "ooh, big boy, give it to me harder" mental soundtracks from porn) is just totally alien to them.

In their heads women don't have sexual desires of our own, we are merely the objects of their sexual desires.

Call it what you want. It’s still a willy.

Blunt and yet elegantly put, OneEndedStick. Some men are such sexual dunces. It's perfectly obvious to me that lesbians love female bodies in the same way that I love male ones. Even disregarding genitals (which is bizarre anyway) a lesbian will not be attracted to male secondary sex characteristics. Fools.

Another thing pissing me off about men demanding lesbians "get over" our lesbian feelings about penises is, they've clearly had no appreciation all this time of how fucking polite we've been in just saying we're not into penis.

Most people, even most men, used to know to leave it at that. Now it's - "But what if I don't want to use it?" "But what if it's a feminine penis?", "But what if they haven't got a penis?" and "But you use a dildo!" [Spoiler: No, I don't, you intrusive, porn-soaked ignoramus]

And now they're having Le Big Sad because they're learning its not just about penis; We don't find anything sexually desirable about the rest of them either. "Waaah You're so MEAN to say that. We're all going to die now"... After nagging us to explain why we still don't want sex with them.

Like, ffs, we weren't the ones insisting on having this conversation. We didn't ask you to back us into this corner. We were content to leave it at "No thanks" or "No thanks; I'm a lesbian".

So, hurty feelz? Tough luck, big guy.

Gay men do seem to have a fear of the girlybits. Funny that. Lesbians are scared of the willy (on the whole).

There is alot of AGP frustration.
They find themselves turned on at a porn version of themselves

• the whole fishnets draped on the sofa with the high heels on.

A gay friend of mine told me yesterday he is not dating anyone with a vagina calling themselves a man.........ever. and neither is any gay friend of his. He was quite adamant about it.

The fact is, the number of people we are actually attracted is tiny anyway.

We don’t need a reason not to be attracted to someone, we need a damn good reason to be attracted to them.

I'll probably get deleted for this but fuck it.
I am bisexual, but I am not sexually attracted to trans people either pre or post op. It's the "Uncanny Valley" that is not quite right.
There are trans people who I have a huge amount of respect for but I would not want to go to bed with.

My opinion is fairly in line with most posters here. I wouldn't. I'm a straight female and I'm attracted to straight, biological men.

When I've looked for a partner I've obviously wanted to have a good connection with them and be able to enjoy their company. But I've also been looking for sexual attraction and compatibility, a relationship with a view to having children, and physical attraction. If I was looking based on just the emotional side of things (seeing as a trans man could not offer me children, sexual compatibility or physical attraction), what you've got there in the end is a friend. I need the whole package to consider you as a romantic partner.

I refuse to date anyone who doesn't offer me these things which I consider an essential.

I can sort of understand the thinking of some trans people in that they don't understand why people cannot see them as they see themselves- exclusively female/male, etc. But I think they need to realise that it isn't just a matter of having (for example) male looking body parts, a male sounding voice, a male's appearance. Other factors come into play and they simply aren't present in trans people, no matter the level of surgery- eg a fully functioning male reproductive system.

I do often think of the hypocrisy that these individuals have, complaining that straight women won't date them. I wonder how many people they haven't dated due to appearance, intelligence, political views, etc.