Bizarre Snopes article about JK Rowling

A search of Rowling’s Twitter feed showed that she had never once used any of the following terms: “trans,” “transgender,” “LGBT,” “LGBTQ,” “transphobia,” “transphobe,” “transphobic,” “TERF,” “inclusion,” or “exclusion.”

Well, that's just a wee bit chilling, isn't it? How often are we required to chant the slogans? Is it enough to chant them repeatedly on social media, or do we have to also display the requisite insults in public when apostates are paraded? Is this the full list of required beliefs, or are there more? Who is issuing the stipulated beliefs?

LassOfFyvie “They” are TRAs, which I would have assumed was clear to all but the most obtuse or argumentative, you know, given the context of the thread. I think “they” can and will make public life very unpleasant for her. It’s already started, given the number of sniper shots being taken already across several platforms about the people she follows on Twitter.

And no I guess she doesn’t have to do anything, she can stick with trying to be Switzerland but, in the current climate, as I said before, it’s not a comfortable or practicably sustainable position to assume longterm for a person as vocally high profile as she is.

She followed Fionne Orlander, a transwoman who also identifies as male

That's a bit of a head f*ck. Shall we add any more descriptors? A transwoman who also identifies as male, with male genitals, has arms and legs, actually not a transwoman, actually sex male, might sometimes enjoy the feeling of walking round in a bath towel or sarong, might sometimes be super emotional and caring, might enjoy shopping, fixing cars, sewing buttons on, playing with fluffy kittens and wrestling with dragons.

A person then.

They’re going to get her one way or another

Who are "they" and what do you think they can do?

She has to come down on one side or the other eventually

She doesn't have to do anything.

It’s not at all complex, Dervel, it’s the absolute opposite. We just need to stop lying to those we love. Transwomen are not women and transmen are not men, they never will be. Those people with vested interests or trying to be kind who are selling them the lie that they are/can be and insisting everyone else do the same are the ones who are harming them not people pointing out basic fucking reality. We all have people we care about but in no other arena do we feel the need to be tip-toeing around the fantasists, ideologists, opportunists and people with actual mental illnesses in our lives and thus encourage them in harmful behaviours and beliefs so their feelings don’t get hurt.

I think the trans issue is incredibly complex as there are trans people who I genuinely care about (whole I suspect JK does too) who are gender critical themselves and wouldn’t dream of making other women uncomfortable.

It really is like a religion where the majority of adherents are perfectly lovely individuals, but these really bad extremists who claim to speak for the whole are difficult to engage with without making the whole group feel potentially put upon.

It takes incredible linguistic precision to challenge a bad idea without that being taken as an attack on people, and anything that can be taken as a personal attack and your sunk in the arena of public discourse these days.

They’re going to get her one way or another. See, being a fence-sitter par excellence is no longer enough; hastily walking back those middle-aged moment ‘misstatements’ won’t cut it for much longer. These days it’s all ‘if you’re not overtly and vociferously for us you’re agin us’.

She has to come down on one side or the other eventually and these restless stirrings and not so veiled threats from TRAs are calculated to make sure she comes down on the ‘right’ side. The Potterverse is firmly established in pop culture and thus secure enough per se to withstand any backlash from the Woke hordes, so, arguably, she has little to lose materially if she declares for the GC party line but reputationally? Yeah, I dunno if she’s up for being publicly damned as a TERF (and owning it) - yet.

(From the marysue article)

She followed Fionne Orlander, a transwoman who also identifies as male

Hilarious.

Fionne is male and happily aknowledges this.

It is societal grooming to coerce people into thinking (or pretending to think) that those statements are fallacious.

Bang on.

Adding to my list of good phrases to use with the woke.

It seems like they are coming to get her. This article is quite something and is being shared on LGBTQ sites all over the place. It actually shocked me (I know I should be unshockable by now)

www.themarysue.com/jk-rowling-transphobic-follows/?fbclid=IwAR2Or_CWpIPnEvaD2wGypO9qN_kd1jmI-RyoQuVwVkhhnn-Nptupt11JovU

They're shitty, nasty bullies exactly.

And we know from HP she doesn't like bullies. She did burn one of them alive in the final book, after all.

Wow, that's almost a war cry from her isn't it? Good for her.

They're shitty, nasty bullies who won't stop even if she religiously chanted their slogans for the rest of her life now.

@DpWm I don’t think that entirely addresses my point, I didn’t really
see a problem with identity politics until this trans thing has blown up in quite the way that it has. It is making me aware of problems baked into the way we have been discussing (or not allowing to be discussed) a whole range of issues ranging from sex, gender, race, religion, those with disabilities etc.

What I am observing are pockets in society namely academia, politics and the media where a postmodernist lens is applied and group think is beginning to trump individual freedom in the classically liberal sense of the word.

I’m not coming at this from an anti-trans or even and anti-feminist perspective necessarily, and I’m still not 100% clear what I am on about yet but I am beginning to formulate a view that the way we have entertained certain subjects whilst maybe coming from a well meaning place has led us into some very dark places and times.

I read a book some some ago about China under Mao

Also read about ......Stalin's Russia.

This is all Corbyn's fault.

FUCKING YESSSSSS, JK!!

Oh dear. Now she's following Julie Bindel and Fionne.

I read a book some some ago about China under Mao

Also read about ......Stalin's Russia.

Empress that was the intellectual heavyweight Ash Sarkar. She who believes in luxury communism and fucks like a champion (her words, twitter bio). She also described herself as Germaine Greer's equal, on the basis that they were both writers iirc

^replying to Dervel

Feminists aren't raping anyone .

Genderists appropriate feminist arguments with words like "oppression" etc and distort the meaning of words beyond recognition in order to convey a false reality. It's what they do.

Does anyone remember when some idiot accused Julie Bindel of not caring about women in prison, based on a Twitter search?

To be fair I have seen rhetoric along the lines that men who aren’t say challenging things like rape jokes/ locker room talk/ general misogyny are therefore condoning them, complicit and part of the problem and propping up the patriarchy.

We really are back in a Stasi era.

Completely.