Imse vimse have drank the kool aid

What's interesting is that they still use the word 'women' on the German site.

There is plenty of wokeness in Germany too, but I wonder if it's just not quite as ingrained as in the UK/US.

It would be a good idea to make a list of companies that sell products specifically for females e.g. menstruation products that actually use the word woman/women so we can spend our money there like meluna for menstrual cups and wuka for period pants (both brands I recently switched to for this reason)

Oh ffs, I really like their stuff too and am also annoyed they have my money!

I think the Gillette campaign with the father teaching his trans daughter how to shave shows this isn’t just happening to women any more

I haven't seen that ad. I guess that's slightly more acceptable as ftm transgender people do develop facial hair if they've had hormone treatment. But mtf transgender people don't grow uteruses and ovaries.

I think the Gillette campaign with the father teaching his trans daughter how to shave shows this isn’t just happening to women any more. Fortunately there has been some pushback.

Eh? I haven’t seen that one. Sounds a bit.. erm... not quite sure what word I’m looking for. 🤔

I think the Gillette campaign with the father teaching his trans daughter how to shave shows this isn’t just happening to women any more. Fortunately there has been some pushback.

isn't it more to do with people who identify as women but actually have a penis getting angry about the assumption they (women) might have a cervix?

Yes. It's about breaking the link between female and woman, or female bodies and women.

Compare and contrast with how male bodies are talked about in relation to prostate or testicular cancer. And how "let's talk about men" these campaigns are.

The word 'women' is being removed from women's products so that people who say they are NOT women don't feel excluded confused That's about the size of it, isn't it? confused
Isn't it more to do with people who identify as women but actually have a penis getting angry about the assumption they (women) might have a cervix?

This is from an article on the BBC News website today - extraordinary how they tie themselves in knots trying not to use the word “woman” in an article about cervical smears:

A cervical screening, or smear test, is a free test to prevent cancer where a small sample of cells is taken from the opening to your womb from the vagina.
Individuals from the age of 25 are invited for screening every three years. Those aged 50 to 64 are invited every five years.
But figures show around one in four don't go to their smear tests in the UK.

So bloody obvious what they’re doing, it’s almost laughable. But not quite.

Lots and lots of small one-woman businesses making reusable pads, fwiw. I might just make my own ...

Oh, dammit, I liked Imse Vimse, too.

That's annoying, I was just about to buy some more of their pads.

Grr. I have found imse vimse to be the best washable panty liners of those I have tried. Can anyone suggest a good alternative (ones that don’t slip) as I need some more.

I’m on Etsy as Nana Sues Creations xx

Juells Yes, you summed it up perfectly

The word 'women' is being removed from women's products so that people who say they are NOT women don't feel excluded That's about the size of it, isn't it?

I've just sent them an email too.made sure I mentioned about excluding women so hopefully I wont get that crappy line about inclusivity.

Will report back.

all I got back was a twee messege about how they are trying to make the world a more inclusive place,

So what is it about the current practice of aiming sanitary products at women that isn’t inclusive? Men don’t have periods so they don’t need to be included.

I'm following a trans man on Twitter. This is some of what he has to say about women, women's health and trans inclusion and I've heard other trans men say similar (I don't agree with everything he says, of course, but he is speaking from his own perspective):

'Don't include trans men in women's reproductive health talks. We have our own unique needs that need to be talked about in our own community with our doctors. It's not women's problems and men need to stay out of their spaces. Trans health is it's own thing.'

'Respect women by not making the conversation about you. Because you're a man. Just politely sit quietly use the service you need and get the fuck out.'

'Not gonna lie, I've seen a lot of transmen trying to invade women's spaces and it's not cool. Don't try to hijack women's reproductive health conversations. Let go of your socialization, be a man and know your place.

We may need some of the same resources but... (Cont'd)
We do not need to conversation women have to include us or even use neutral language for us.

We need doctors to understand more neutral language and we need access to certain spaces that are women's only. Respect the ladies by not making it all about you while your there.'

These organisations that have decided to erase the word 'woman', who refuse to acknowledge and name female biology as being female - just who are they speaking with? It's so illogical. Include trans women in with men - it's transphobic; don't include trans men in with women - it's transphobic

Very keen too Dana!

Dana yes who??

She/ he won’t be spending any of her/his cash at their website

They can fuck right off

am I allowed to?

DanaBarrett
Come on, you can't say that and then not tell us which ones!