transgender hate crime

It is utter bullshit.

It is like the BBC has gone full Prick News. Every article these days seems to contain a long opinion piece about stuff that was never in the original article.

The ahem analysis was done by Ben Hunte, the LGBT correspondent who did the Bergdorf interview about how the NSPCC is so mean to people who disregard child safeguarding.

Another article by him showed more analysis of Prince Williams's statement that he'd support a child who was gay. Apparently this means that "For a member of the British Royal Family to give such an endorsement to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights, and their fight for equality, is a big deal". Prince William did not mention transgender rights. But Ben Hunte can analyse that he did. Look at the very short article - and the long analysis that comes after it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48774280

If a person identifies as a Trans woman then it is Transphobic to deliberately refer to them with male pronouns

I assume that accompanied a statement saying that it's equally hateful to refer to transmen as female, married women as 'Mrs John Smith', or Miss, and shorthaired girls as tomboys?

Shall we all start reporting incidents of misogyny and see what gets reported in the media? On no, we tried that already...

It’s awful that people should be being abused but I’m somewhat cynical about these figures. I’d heard and read about two serious homophobic attacks in the last few weeks alone, including a knife attack, and you’d think that if this was happening to transpeople it’d be all over the BBC and the Guardian. They’re running the headline that transphobic hate crimes are up by 81%, yet I’ve not seen a single report of an actual transphobic hate crime.

Being verbally abused is horrible, don’t get me wrong. If I reported every instance of verbal abuse the rates of homophobic and disablist hate crime would shoot through the roof. I don’t though, and neither do most homosexual and disabled people, because it just becomes background noise after a while, so common an occurrence is it. It’s a sad fact, and I’d rather not be verbally abused, obviously, but it’s not really a crime is it? If it’s sustained bullying and harassment by a particular person then yeah, it is a hate crime, but some random calling me a man or an ugly dyke, while unpleasant, should not be a matter for the police.

Transgender people have their existence debated on a near daily basis

Why does this lie persist? Who is debating the 'existence' of trans people?

"According to this, there were 63 UK convictions for transphobic hate crimes in 2018".

And these convictions would have had to have an actual crime associated with it. So assault, arson, threatening behaviour, stuff like that.

As PPs are saying, the problem is we just don't know enough about these figures. As Moobaa says, it may be basically a list of phone calls made to police, in which case it doesn't tell us anything about hate crimes against trans identified people. Or perhaps it's a 100 per cent accurate record of actual hate crimes. The problem is we don't know.

The force where I live, Avon and Somerset, has since 2017 recorded a strand of 'gender/misogyny' hate. I wrote to them to ask about this and was told 'The overwhelming majority of these cases are described as Misogynistic in their motivation.' Booooring right? God forbid we have something just about women and the hate we face.

Their ideas about what constitutes a hate crime motivated by transphobia are alarming: 'If a person identifies as a Trans woman then it is Transphobic to deliberately refer to them with male pronouns. Depending on the circumstances and location this could be a Public Order Offence. They are protected by the Equality Act 2010 and this could be reported as a Hate motivated incident or Offence according to current police policy. Hate Speech in other contexts eg On Line abuse or offensive literature can also be an offence.'

Worrying that the senior police officer cited EA2010 which is not the law covering hate crime.

Here are the stats for 'hate incidents recorded' pre 2017 (so pre 'gender/misogyny) - 67% racially motivated. 1% trans. The trans figure is similar to population size while the racial figure is much higher than the BAME % of population.
www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/media/29487587/hate-crime-statistics-2013-2017.pdf

Avon and Somerset record by gender not sex, and they do not disaggregate incidents against lesbians from incidents against gay men.

There is actual conviction data here:

www.cps.gov.uk/cps/hate-crime-data

According to this, there were 63 UK convictions for transphobic hate crimes in 2018.

Someone should do an FOI to find out how many arrests, and crimes were actually charged, and how many convictions.

These aren't actual hate crimes.
They're just reports.
Not prosecutions, not convictions, not arrests, not charges.
Just perceived hurty feelz.

Would 'misgendering' or 'limericking' count in these stats?
Fair to assume, yes.

What a steaming pile of bullshit the BBC is.
This is deliberate misrepresentation.

The small hotel I was in this week had a transgender receptionist who was clearly not a biological woman; their appearance was a parody of femininity. That was irrelevant...

But it may be very relevant to female members of staff who have to share what were previously single sex facilities with this person.

The example given on the website by the transwoman who had a man shouting at them and threatening them is horrible. I have lots of sympathy for that person- it’s terrible.
But I have had horrible men shouting at me in the street, threatening behaviour, sexual threats made. Also, I have been grabbed and leered at while walking through a crowded place. All these have happened countless times since I was 12 years old. I can’t report that as misogyny is not considered a hate crime. As a woman I’m considered fair game for hateful language, sexual objectification and threats.
And I know I’m one of the lucky ones amongst us. I’ve never been raped or been the victim of a serious sexual assault.
Also agree with what others have said. This includes people reporting women for saying ‘that person is not a woman’. The statistics are skewed by thought crimes.

Transgender individuals should be entitled to the same protection in law as any other individuals.

They have this.

I think any assault or abusive behaviour towards anyone in entirely unacceptable. Absolutely and totally. People attacking others deserve harsh sanctions and re-education should form a part of that.
Most of the assault and abuse behaviour is based in prejudice of one sort or another - whether it be homophobic, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, classist attack’s on the homeless or reactionary Christians abusing women entering ToP clinics.
Transgender individuals should be entitled to the same protection in law as any other individuals. They should not have to be fearful of attacks.

I don’t think suggesting they are trans identifying males or females is hate crime personally but in most situations there is no need to consider how they choose to present to the world. Dave calling himself Sharon and wearing high heels isn’t hurting anyone on the same aeroplane. The small hotel I was in this week had a transgender receptionist who was clearly not a biological woman; their appearance was a parody of femininity. That was irrelevant as they were attentive, helpful, charming and competent at their job. I didn’t need to refer to their appearance (although we chatted about their talon like nails) nor discuss their biological status. It was a non- issue. They are entitled to do their job and live free from fear of attack and undoubtedly if they walked home alone at night they were more likely to be attacked by some far right yobs. Protecting transgender people from that fear is essential because it makes life safer for us all. Our personal thoughts on whether you can reassign sex doesn’t matter.
There are a small number of specific issues where their biological sex does matter and where physiology is important.

People are seeing through this, it's one of the times the general public have totally predicted the stages of the TRA narrative well in advance.

"Transgender people have their existence debated on a near daily basis across UK media, and several activists believe this negative attention reinforces the poor treatment they receive on our streets".

The utter state of BBC "journalism" today.

Embarrassing.

That article lists one example of horrible threatening behaviour which is disgusting. I do wonder what threats former Master of the Hunt Sue Pascoe has had that has led to being classed as vulnerable by North Yorkshire Police?

I also wonder how many women have reported repeated abuse and been classed as vulnerable by police? How many women have been assaulted and had abuse screamed at them by random men? Virtually every single woman I know. And yet we can't report those incidents because abusing women simply for being a woman is not a hate crime.

I suspect that it because the system would simply collapse if every single woman reported it as a hate crime every time some man called her a slag for rejecting his advances?

I am surprised it isn’t higher: I am sure reading Mumsnet must be a recordable hate crime by now.

But I would like to know how many of these crimes are committed, like the one described, by men, rather than by women / feminists.

Me too. If misgendering qualifies as a hate crime then conversely demanding that I mis-sex people should be too.

Because I find a man identifying as a woman and insisting the rest of us address them as female just as offensive as an African American would find being told that some white bloke is black.

I've watched the news and have every sympathy with anyone the subject of actual hate crime.

In our area they are running an interview with Sue Pascoe who has been categorised as a vulnerable person by the police and states is scared to leave the house. That would be Sue who just last month wanted us all to vote to send them to the European Parliament.

There was a similar article in the Guardian recently. Their journalists aren’t very numerate nor do they analyse figures very well. Firstly being trans is unusual so there will be few hate crimes. As any maths teacher will tell you, if the number of crimes goes from 1 to 2 that’s a 100% increase but it’s still very small. Secondly what is the definition of hate crime and has it changed? As far as I can see the bar is set pretty low for trans hate crime so what are we actually talking about? As I recall also comparing the number of hate crimes against the numbers of trans people the actual likelihood of being a victim of a hate crime was about 1%. So the article could have been headed ‘99% of trans people do not suffer recorded hate crime’. Not that I would have expected anything this thoughtful in the Guardian.

It's such a meaningless term though. Anything short of falling to your knees and worshipping them is a hate crime by some TRAs standards

I would very much like a break down if these hate crimes.

The crimes quoted in the article are horrible. Trans people DO experience violence and abuse, and it is horrible and needs to be stopped.

But I would like to know how many of these crimes are committed, like the one described, by men, rather than by women / feminists.

And as hard as we need to protect our right to identify on the basis of our sex, we also need to stand against violence and abuse against Trans people who are simply trying to live their lives.