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Now a malory towers tomboy was trans

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peachsquish · 26/06/2019 12:26

{https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/25/malory-towers-enid-blytons-tomboy-bill-actually-transgender/}

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peachsquish · 26/06/2019 15:56

Bill is being played by a non binary actor.
www.vinnieheaven.com/about.html

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ScaryBunnyPainting · 26/06/2019 15:50

For anyone confused by me using this phrase
“Enid Blyton was one of the worst things to ever happen to Malory Towers”

It was a play on the tweet from a TRA this week who said “JK Rowling was one of the worst things to ever happen to Harry Potter” as she is now accused of being a TERF.

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/06/2019 15:42

Based on previous experience, if they're publicly designating that role as trans then the production will never make it to opening night. The TRA lobby will go berserk about who is allowed to play that role and the resulting stink will make the financial backers and producer run like hell. Rather like poor Scarlett Johannsson and the backers of that film.

LinoleumBlownapart · 26/06/2019 15:37

I was a tomboy. I'm willing to bet a large proportion of people on this thread were too. It's what you were if you didn't conform to social stereotypes.
I don't want to see the eradication of tomboys, being a tomboy is what gave generations of girls freedom and power.

jay55 · 26/06/2019 15:23

Bill loved horses and wore her clothes and hair in a practical manner for riding. And her full name was an utter mouthful.

She may well have been a lesbian but she really wasn't a man.

littlbrowndog · 26/06/2019 15:14

Must be the sun turning activists into more bonkers than usual. 😂😂😂

CuriousaboutSamphire · 26/06/2019 15:06

Ah FFS!

I AM TRANS!!

There you go! I am a TERF TRUNED!

Did that make anyone happier? Did it save a child from falling and scarping it non binary kneesies? Did it help a midle aged AGP man come to terms with his lack of femininity, ability to pass? No? Didn't thinks so!

And I am still who/what I was before I said it! So Wilhemina is still Bill, Georgina is still George and I amstill shorten my longer fenimine name to as shorter more masculine version.

Missingstreetlife · 26/06/2019 14:41

Thanku

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2019 14:41

Mallory Towers was written in, what, the 1940s?? Society and language were different then

That's the point they are trying to make. We were so backwards in the forties that all of these poor trans and NB people were unable to come out / we did not have the language to describe them.

IE if anyone was written as a tomboy they were actually trans...

MrsSpenserGregson · 26/06/2019 14:38

FFS

Mallory Towers was written in, what, the 1940s?? Society and language were different then. We can't retrospectively apply modern gender theory to something written 80 years ago. Well, we can, but it makes us look like arseholes.

Fucking gender stereotyping bollocksy bullshit (Emma Rice, the director mentioned in the article, I mean, not Enid Blyton, who may have had some dubious views but who was very much a product of her time). When I'm prime minister I'm making gender illegal. Sex all the way baby.

bellinisurge · 26/06/2019 14:31

It's just ridiculous. I'm sure they would say Ann Lister was trans.

CassianAndor · 26/06/2019 14:22

That's 2 tickets they won't be selling to me.

CassianAndor · 26/06/2019 14:22

OH FUCK OFF.

We're reading these right now. Bill is just a girl with a squillion brothers and loves horses. The end.

Doesn't this idiot director not realise how she's reinforcing sexist stereotypes????

peachsquish · 26/06/2019 14:21

Have copied and pasted for those who cant see article

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peachsquish · 26/06/2019 14:21

TelegraphNews

New staging of Enid Blyton's Malory Towers story suggests 'tomboy' Bill is really transgender

When Enid Blyton created the Malory Towers stories, her cast of schoolgirl characters included a tomboy called Bill.

A new stage musicalbased onthe boarding school adventures will suggest that there was more to Bill's expression of gender identity than the books could say.

Emma Rice, the former director of Shakespeare’s Globe who has adapted Malory Towers for the stage, has cast a non-binary actor, Vinnie Heaven, in the role and said that Bill - full name Wilhelmina, and described in the books as looking “exactly like a boy” - may have been transgender or gay but unable to express that in the 1940s.

“Bill is portrayed as a tomboy in the books but, thanks to the progress we have made as a society, people like Bill are now able to express their identity in other ways,” Rice said.

“It’s very moving to look back and see people who may have been transgender or gay or a member of another community at a time when there simply wasn’t the language to talk about it.”

Rice has also cast non-white actors in some roles “to more accurately reflect the times we live in” but has otherwise stuck closely to the stories, with their midnight feasts and jolly japes. The post-war 1940s setting remains.

The character of Bill first appeared in Third Year at Malory TowersCREDIT:THE ENID BLYTON SOCIETY

The show opens at The Passenger Shed in Bristol on July 19 before embarking on a UK tour. It is produced by Wise Children, the company that Rice set up after exiting the Globe.

Rice said she loved Blyton’s strong characters and the values she instilled in the Malory Towers girls. “Blyton may not have thought of herself as a feminist, but feminism is at the heart of Malory Towers. The girls lead their best lives in an environment of freedom and adventure… To me, they are little revolutionaries,” she said.

Heaven, a writer, producer and performer, recently staged a solo show called She’s A Good Boy, exploring non-binary gender.

The character of Bill appeared in the third Malory Towers book, arriving at the Cornish clifftop school on her horse, Thunder. The first mention of her comes from classmate Darrell Rivers who, told that Bill has seven brothers, remarks: “I should think she’s half a boy herself then.”

Emma Rice has adapted the Malory Towers books for the stageCREDIT:CLARA MOLDEN FOR THE TELEGRAPH

Blyton describes Bill as “somebody who, except for the school tunic, looked exactly like a boy”, with short hair and a “boyish grin”.

The character announces: “I’ve never in my life been called Wilhelmina. Ever. It’s a frightful name. Everyone calls me Bill… If you all start calling me Wilhelmina I shall be miserable. I shan’t feel I’m myself.”

Bill is very similar to Blyton’s most famous tomboy, George in the Famous Five books, who also refuses to answer to Georgina: “I shall only answer if you call me GEorge. I hate being a girl. I won’t be,” she says in Five on a Treasure Island.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 26/06/2019 14:18

Enid Blyton was one of the worst things to ever happen to Malory Towers Did we enter a parallel universe?

DpWm · 26/06/2019 14:16

Blyton describes Bill as “somebody who, except for the school tunic, looked exactly like a boy”, with short hair and a “boyish grin”

The character announces: “I’ve never in my life been called Wilhelmina. Ever. It’s a frightful name. Everyone calls me Bill… If you all start calling me Wilhelmina I shall be miserable. I shan’t feel I’m myself.”

Bill is very similar to Blyton’s most famous tomboy, George in the Famous Five books, who also refuses to answer to Georgina: “I shall only answer if you call me GEorge

Wtf is a "boyish grin".
Yes, girls can choose a name for themselves if they want. No need to chop off their tits over it.

Binglebong · 26/06/2019 14:16

Enid Blyton was one of the worst things to ever happen to Malory Towers.?!

Genuinely confused.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 26/06/2019 14:13

Jesus Christ. What a load of shit.

Anyone else finding lots of things they're reading today are making them (especially) sweary? Confused

Missingstreetlife · 26/06/2019 14:05

Can't read article, paywall. Is the actor a non binary person who used to be a girl or boy. Do they think they are a transwoman?

NotTerfNorCis · 26/06/2019 14:02

Girls rebelling against restrictive gender roles are actually male. How progressive. Hmm It sounds like a trope from Medieval times.

Goosefoot · 26/06/2019 14:02

I've noticed this seems to come up particularly when there is a girl or woman who is using a traditionally male name. Like Michael in Discovery.

DuckWillow · 26/06/2019 14:02

Blimey! What a leap to make. And there was I happily picturing Bill and Clarissa in a settled lesbian relationship running their riding school.

Bill trans though? No....not convinced.

Why does she have to be trans? Why can’t she just be happy wearing what she wants and being herself?

If that choice is trans fair enough but I’m not certain she is.

1984in2019 · 26/06/2019 13:57

FFS

A tomboy is a valid identity. I was one.

Pannalash · 26/06/2019 13:56

For fucks sake now I’ve heard it all Angry

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