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Caroline Criado Perez targeted by TRAs

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AgileLass · 25/06/2019 13:08

twitter.com/ccriadoperez/status/1143480469180297218?s=21
Some American TRA believes Caroline to be guilty of WRONG THINK and decrees that she be boycotted.

Also targeted by the ever delightful Arthur Chu, who helpfully retweets all of his own tweets so no one misses out on his absolutely riveting thoughts on all subjects
twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1143210088980598784?s=21

Only a matter of time, I suppose. Women must NEVER be allowed to talk about their own bodies. Dangerous Terfism, that.

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FloralBunting · 25/06/2019 15:10

*with = without.

FloralBunting · 25/06/2019 15:09

Well, that is rather the beauty of being an actually educated, thinking, reasoning woman with a fuckton of research behind you which enables you speak with authority.

We are all aware why they've gone after her now? It's because her work was actually referenced in the Scottish statement about stopping the relentless ploughing ahead with law changes with adequate impact assessments. We know what the cult members are like. They need to lash out vindictively. Criado Perez was mentioned by name. Natural target for them.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 25/06/2019 15:04

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I'm crying, I'm crying, why didn't I do my pelvic floor exercises! Grin
Now off to get a copy of of Caroline's book on amazon. This thread is giving me lots of good ideas today.

AudacityOfHope · 25/06/2019 14:53

See, this is what I'm really curious about. I was reading Sue Black's book about death, and she talks about how they identify the sex of decomposed dead people by, for example, femur length, etc.

How, in the face of actual facts such as this, do TRAs get around it? Do they never look in the mirror and just start screaming at how they've basically signed up to spend their entire lives lying to themselves and everyone around them? It's like an episode of Black Mirror or something.

Same with CCP's Invisible Women. I too am amazed she's gone under the TRA radar for so long, but I'd be amazed if she gave a single fuck.

Manderleyagain · 25/06/2019 14:48

Arthur states that he hasn't read Invisible Women.

Is the letter from CUSU and the tweet about misogynist men the only evidence they are showing of her transphobia? Kelly Ellis's tweets are pretty defamatory with their vague insinuation.

Datun · 25/06/2019 14:46

They won’t be happy until it’s illegal to mention biology.

Correct.

I'll never forget Munro Bergdorf saying that women were allowed to march in the women's march, as long as they didn't mention their reproductive biology.

GrinitchSpinach · 25/06/2019 14:43

So pleased I just bought Invisible Women this week. Will pass it on to DH after I finish reading it.

Pota2 · 25/06/2019 14:40

I used to be confused why the TRAs were targeting gender critical women rather than, y’know, the men who beat up or harass and abuse trans people. It’s all trf this and trf that. Most GC women I know are unfailingly polite and respectful of trans people and none of them pose any sort of threat to them. But then it struck me- they think what we are doing is worse than violence because we are refusing to deny reality. And what they want is a world where reality no longer exists, which is why they want to erase references to biological sex. It wouldn’t matter to them if there was zero crime or discrimination against trans people- it would not be enough. They won’t be happy until it’s illegal to mention biology.

FloralBunting · 25/06/2019 14:40

EweSurname, I wouldn't like to comment. Winks or wanks probably have the same linguistic effect in the context of my remark which, although a slightly humourous dig, I wouldn't be at all shocked to learn was true...

InionEile · 25/06/2019 14:32

Not surprised. Caroline is oh-so-second wave, dontcha know. The way she focuses on the social reality of inhabiting a biologically female body is very 1998. It’s almost as if she thinks there are two sexes and that one is subjugated by the other due to reproductive labour or something. It’s literal violence!!

I’m amazed the TRAs didn’t come for her sooner....

womenspeakout · 25/06/2019 14:28

womespeakout I am glad to hear that! At the end of the day, what we do is impacted by what our bodies are. My female body means that I lose several days every month to severe PMS, where my mood and my work suffers considerably. Over my life, it will add up to about 9 years. It doesn’t matter how I identify- I can’t change that. That doesn’t mean that I define myself by my biology, but I live in a world where the default is a male body who does not have monthly PMS that affects their ability to work. That means that my being female puts me at a disadvantage. Same as the default white, abled, heterosexual impacts on those who are poc, LGB or have a disability. Not sure why it’s so hard to fathom for these idiots, especially since it’s only a century since women were given any voting rights. Would be a bit odd if a massive historical problem suddenly vanished wouldn’t it?

Yes, exactly.

I have severe endometriosis, every month I have a certain amount of days where I cannot leave the house, literally, I can't go out as I'm in too much pain and my flow is far too heavy. Like you say, those days will add up.

I can't believe I ever felt differently, now I know I had been brainwashed/gaslit into believing what I was told and repeating the basic quotes. With only a small amount of critical thinking I saw it for all the stupidity it is.

Listening to the author made me realise how different we are and saying your something doesn't make it true, and doesn't mean you suffer in the way every other woman has suffered from the bias that the world has towards men being the dominant sex.

RosaWaiting · 25/06/2019 14:27

What’s all the stuff about getting people arrested?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/06/2019 14:21

Blithering idiots

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/06/2019 14:19

Is this the invisible women writer

Thats on my wishlist

I was waiting for the paperback....i am happy to buy the hardback instead

I recently emailed my book club with the section on medicine

EweSurname · 25/06/2019 14:19

I read that as wanks Envy

AlwaysComingHome · 25/06/2019 14:17

Does he click Like on his own tweets too?

Pota2 · 25/06/2019 14:17

womespeakout I am glad to hear that! At the end of the day, what we do is impacted by what our bodies are. My female body means that I lose several days every month to severe PMS, where my mood and my work suffers considerably. Over my life, it will add up to about 9 years. It doesn’t matter how I identify- I can’t change that. That doesn’t mean that I define myself by my biology, but I live in a world where the default is a male body who does not have monthly PMS that affects their ability to work. That means that my being female puts me at a disadvantage. Same as the default white, abled, heterosexual impacts on those who are poc, LGB or have a disability. Not sure why it’s so hard to fathom for these idiots, especially since it’s only a century since women were given any voting rights. Would be a bit odd if a massive historical problem suddenly vanished wouldn’t it?

Datun · 25/06/2019 14:16

It was her book which opened my eyes to there being a huge difference in that every cell in our body is female, and men's are male. You can't change that

And that's why they hate it. Which I understand. What I fail to understand is how they can keep trying to articulate that without realising that a) everyone can see it, and b) they are only serving to highlight their own distinction between the males and females they are referring to.

FloralBunting · 25/06/2019 14:13

I suspect Arthur Chu also winks at himself every time he passes a mirror.

AgileLass · 25/06/2019 14:09

Arthur Chu’s instant retweeting of all his own tweets is one of the most pathetic things I’ve seen on Twitter (and that’s saying a lot).

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womenspeakout · 25/06/2019 13:59

I'm really not surprised at all. The book states so many truths about the differences between men and women and how ignored we are, it was actually what made me see the light and become what they call a TERF from being very liberal and thinking I believed 'tans women are the same as all other women'.

It was her book which opened my eyes to there being a huge difference in that every cell in our body is female, and men's are male. You can't change that.

SunsetBeetch · 25/06/2019 13:50

Surprised any of them were considering reading the book in the first place, as it concerns biology and evidence.

And Arthur Chu is the American Harrop. Awful man.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 25/06/2019 13:49

I mean, the instant "she's talking about men, so she must mean tw...so she must be a TRANSPHOBE!" line of argument was never going to be a strong one.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 25/06/2019 13:48

Didn't go as well for Kelly as she expected, eh?

Oh no, so sad.

JustAnotherWoman · 25/06/2019 13:48

Wondered how long it would take for the TRAs to go for Caroline, she focussed on data so a clash with a world of male privilege, fantasy and hurty feelingz was inevitable.

I've bought her book but not read it yet. Must start today.

I wonder who I can gift a copy to Hmm

Floral Grin at your novena, can I request a dispensation for feminist twitter please

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