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Caroline Criado Perez targeted by TRAs

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AgileLass · 25/06/2019 13:08

twitter.com/ccriadoperez/status/1143480469180297218?s=21
Some American TRA believes Caroline to be guilty of WRONG THINK and decrees that she be boycotted.

Also targeted by the ever delightful Arthur Chu, who helpfully retweets all of his own tweets so no one misses out on his absolutely riveting thoughts on all subjects
twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1143210088980598784?s=21

Only a matter of time, I suppose. Women must NEVER be allowed to talk about their own bodies. Dangerous Terfism, that.

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XXcstatic · 27/06/2019 10:20

Sympathy for CCP, as the attacks must be unpleasant personally. But, for the GC cause, the attacks on her and JK Rowling are helpful, as they expose the misogyny and sheer nuttiness of TRAs. The more they attack mainstream women who are well known, the more they make it obvious that they hate any woman capable of critical thought, not just mythical evil T**fs.

CCP is rightly celebrated in left-leaning/liberal circles. It will be difficult for even The Woke to condemn her as transphobic. If they do, they are admitting that any discussion of female biology is now considered transphobic.

AlwaysComingHome · 27/06/2019 02:41

Chu has more than ‘issues.’

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Caroline Criado Perez targeted by TRAs
JustAnotherWoman · 26/06/2019 21:32

So I watched 'Who is Arthur Cho' on Amazon prime and wow he has issues Shock

I was interested to see Nicola Sturgeons tweets re CCP, NS knows exactly what's she's doing. She may just be seeing the toxicity and damage to women of the TWAW mantra [hopeful]

EweSurname · 26/06/2019 12:28

twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/1143841421218197504

They won't like this

AlwaysComingHome · 25/06/2019 20:34

I don’t have room in the house for hardbacks and I also find them uncomfortably large to carry around (I do most of my reading on the train) so I’m generally a year too late to join in the conversation about new books by the time the paperback comes out.

On the plus side controversial best-sellers often get an extra Afterward on the controversy itself.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 25/06/2019 20:33

She's on tour right now - in fact in Glasgow this evening. I foresee much blue haired heckling and "fears for personal safety" just from being in the same postcode as her.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 25/06/2019 20:21

This thread is gold.

twitter.com/manwhohasitall/status/1143489034733412353

BrienneofTarthILoveYou · 25/06/2019 19:57

I hadn't bought CCPs book, but I will now. Hope she stays strong & has lots of support and doesn't get bullied into submission.

HermioneWeasley · 25/06/2019 19:17

I’m amazed it took this long. We all know that women claiming that women share distinct biology opposed to men is heresy and transphobia of the worse sort

Manderleyagain · 25/06/2019 19:15

Charlieparley thanks for that post.

ChattyLion · 25/06/2019 18:41

Ugh. Narcissistic weirdos need to realise it’s not all about them.

It’s ‘transphobic’ for a woman to write or to read a book about biological reality and how this is used to disadvantage women?!

Where does this end??

CharlieParley · 25/06/2019 18:28

Caroline was quite likely well ahead of the curve. Her blog post from 2014(!) is one of the best, most passionate and cogent rejections of the cis-label and cis-privilege that I have ever read. Read the whole post, I recommend it, but this rallying cry at the end could have come straight from my heart, too:

I do not identify as cis. I am not cis. I am a woman trying to fight with every fibre of my being against everything that my “gender identity” tells me to be. Woman as defined by society is not my gender identity. My gender identity is fuck this oppressive bullshit, and let me be a human fucking being.

One of the people attacking her posted an archive link to the full piece, which is here.

Contrary to the vile smears online, Caroline is no transphobe. She supports equal rights for trans people, she acknowledges that they face struggles, wants them to be supported if they are distressed by gender dysphoria and protected from male violence. Her fight however is for women qua females and she does it in her own, incredibly important way. As a feminist she simply puts female people first.

And yes, as I sat there in the gallery and watched Shirley-Anne Somerville urge all her fellow MSPs to read Invisible Women, several times in her answers during the debate, I just thought, uh-oh watch out Caroline.

And even more concerning is that she indelibly associated her book with the Scottish Government's decision to walk back from its commitment to legal sex self-id by taking her right into the statement, explaining that there are biological (!) and physiological (!) differences (!) between men and women which is why the government is setting up a working group to establish when we need to disaggregate data by sex (!). When not if.

By stressing the importance of the book, which is a full-on affirmation of sex-based differences between males and females and how oppression of the latter in a society dominated by the former has led to a world designed for men, Somerville painted a target on Caroline's back.

Without knowing it. I do feel certain that Somerville would not have known what she was exposing CCP to by so closely associating her with this announcement that it looks as if this book is a part of the reason why us awful Scottish terves won this battle, with the support of so very many women from all over the country and the world. And thanks to that move by Somerville, Caroline will now be considered one of them.

This Twitter spat will, I fear, only be the beginning of a concerted witch hunt against her. I hope she has lots of support.

After all, she didn't simply like a tweet or say something vaguely objectionable - she has enjoyed huge, international success with a book about the difference between the sexes and so provided us with ammunition in our fight.

NoSquirrels · 25/06/2019 18:25

Ah yes - apologies, completely hit my Susies and Helens confused Gaspode and confused everyone! As you were Grin

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2019 18:24

Helen isn't the founder or head of Mermaids. You might be thinking of Susie Green, who's the CEO but also not the founder. Helen has been described as Mermaids Marketing Officer. I'm not sure if that was a voluntary or paid post or whether it's current. Mother of a trans boy. Complained to West Yorkshire Police last year about Miranda Yardley, who is a transsexual but identifies now as male and uses male pronouns. H accused Miranda of transphobia on Twitter. Incredibly this got to court but was thrown out immediately.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/8550151/first-uk-transgender-hate-crime-trial-scrapped/

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/a-collapsed-case-shows-the-perils-of-policing-transphobia/

womenspeakout · 25/06/2019 18:04

Another man calling an American feminist a handmaiden as a gotcha, while our reproductive rights are being lost at an alarming rate. You fellas are such wonderful allies.

This was tweeted by Kelly Ellis, before she blocked me, of course.

It's ironic though, because people like Munroe don't want women to protest at a women's march for their biological reproductive organs, so any reproductive rights must be excluded.....

If she wants to protest for women's rights, she won't be able to be an ally.....

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/06/2019 18:00

the two signs are pretty cisnormative, too. Both signs imply that women have vaginas and men have penises, which just isn’t true

Grin

god, the writer of that pizza slice article just sounds like an absolute lunatic don't they?

and loving the science reading mumsnetters triggering Amazon's marketing algorithms!

AlwaysComingHome · 25/06/2019 17:56

It’s transphobic of women not to take male-appropriate levels of drugs. Feelz are far more important than an overdose.

NoSquirrels · 25/06/2019 17:50

What court case? And who is Helen???

Sorry - Helen is the founder and head of the Mermaids charity for trans youth much discussed on here. She commented in Kelly’s original thread - see attached.

I then quoted a different poster - that’s not Helen, afaik.

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DuMondeB · 25/06/2019 17:47

I ordered it too - this came up - made me cackle with laughter, must be us Mumsnetters triggering the algorithm!

‘Frequently bought together: Invisible Women, The Gendered Brain, Good Housekeeping Baby and Child Record Book’

😆

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 25/06/2019 17:32

Ordered the book.

NotTerfNorCis · 25/06/2019 17:24

Flaps if it's a pdf you should still be able to download it and open it in Chrome (or Adobe if you have it).

SunsetBeetch · 25/06/2019 17:24

I like the pizza slice signs Grin

Not so keen on all the "cis nonsense" comments abou them.

FlapsMagazine · 25/06/2019 17:20

NotTerfNorCis Yeah that's what I've resigned myself to. Really annoyed at myself, I normally pay better attention. I'll just have to send the link to my niece, I don't even have an e-reader.

NotTerfNorCis · 25/06/2019 17:13

Katvon well the good news is if they're complaining about stuff like that, they don't have any serious problems.

womenspeakout · 25/06/2019 17:13

What court case? And who is Helen???