Supporting our lesbian sisters THREAD EDITED BY MNHQ AT OP'S REQUEST

Not being L or B I don’t know much of Stonewall’s history but I do believe this is wrong - writing the L out (On Facebook but haven’t commented as don’t know enough to be certain):

MoleSmokes Although I did toy with "All Women For Unisex Lesbians" (AWFUL) because it would look stonkin on a banner with "TERFs" smile

You could try the Bulgari approach and substitute V for U?

That instead could give: "All Women For Vagina Lesbians" (AWFUL)

A gold star lesbian is a woman who has never slept with a man.

Yes. The issue being raised here is that when a ‘gold star lesbian’ believes that woman is a state of mind, not body, what constitutes lesbian sex?

Lesbian people I know don't want to rock the boat. Whether it's ignorance or niceness I don't know (they start talking about hostility 'on both sides'). It makes me wonder if I'm out of step. And maybe this isn't my show so I should butt out.
Maybe girls need to get used to male bodies in changing rooms and elsewhere.
Maybe women need to expand the definition of women when it comes to things like equal pay, all women's shortlists, anywhere that the word 'woman' was previously and exclusionarily taken to mean adult human female.
I can see now where I went wrong.

Budge up, women, and make room for people who experience more prejudice than anyone else on earth.

Tarnished Tin Badge Straight here!

@Muststopfaffing I don't mind "ally" really. Although I did toy with "All Women For Unisex Lesbians" (AWFUL) because it would look stonkin on a banner with "TERFs"

"Unisex" as in "Unicycle" obviously.

(General comment - not to anyone in particular - my point is, this is not a place to discuss what a woman or lesbian is. We all know).

The oldest lesbian I know is in her 60s. She says now is the worst it’s been for lesbians in her lifetime. Yes, gay men could be misogynistic (NAMALT) but they never said lesbians should be open to dick (straight men did) or that lesbians were “phobic” and not welcome at Pride due to being homosexuals!

It’s good that some lesbians are happy with how things are. But this is a support thread for the lesbians who are not.

Just as the “trans widows” thread is not intended for women who (after 20 years of hetero marriage) happily come out as “cis lesbians,” when their husbands become “trans lesbians,” this thread is not intended for homogenderal lesbians (try Reddit, Twitter or the rest of the internet).

A gold star lesbian is a woman who has never slept with a man

We lesbians don't have it to bad really look at our ancestors
I do feel for them and how they lived x

I think allies is fine but it’s modern usage has become a bit weird. What about something like “GenderfreeWithTheL - Lesbian support thread?” Will defer to what lesbians think.

Maybe our gold star is one of those lesbians who has a penis? That would explain the gold star status. Only bepenised lesbians are allowed to have sexual boundaries.

Yes, that must be it.

If I found out I'd had sex with a transman I would view that as my first lesbian experience. Women who have sex with transwomen are having sex with a male ie it's a heterosexual relationship. As bisexuality is part of LGBT I don't see why these women aren't happy to now say they are bisexual not lesbian. If genitals dont matter to these women then why do they care if they are L or B?

Hahaha how do even know you're a 'gold star' lesbian?

And if one of the female-identifying people you’ve had sex with later announced that they were & had always been male, would you count that retrospectively as straight sex?

Brilliant, MrsFogi!

Gold Star lesbian here

but also ...

when you define womanhood in a way that's dependent on biology, you don't help me

Hahaha how do even know you're a 'gold star' lesbian?

Does Gold Star now mean only ever had sexual contact with someone who identifies as female? Or is it a special badge you get for being the most inclusivest person evar?

Call me pedantic if you will, but if your version of supporting same sex attracted women is to tell them it's all just a subjective 'genital configuration', and males are part of the equation, I think I'm just going to laugh ruefully and tell you to enjoy swimming around in the alphabet soup with all the kinksters, I'm over here with the women who think you can put your gold star bullshit where all the other shite comes from.

An interesting way to start off that post - gold star lesbian here. I kind of think I've seen a similar turn of phrase around MN before....hmm.

define womanhood in a way that's dependent on biology... yup a gold star plated summit (💩)...

Great thread! I didn't know about 5th - it so happens that I have the day off for the end of year 6 festivities but I reckon I can find someone to do the school drop off, pop into London to add to the number and be back in time for the double decker bus and party photos.

”But trust, I'm old enough and gay enough to know who I want to sleep with, and what genital configurations attract or repel me.”

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you, and other lesbians don’t know what genital configurations attract or repel you and them, @exculpatrix. But is it right that lesbian women who are not attracted to penises (even when they are called ‘lady dicks’ ) are being told they are nasty trans phones and that they can, if they put their minds to it, get over their genital preferences, and ‘cope just fine’ with PIV sex? Do you think that is OK? Is it OK that there are some trans women, with fully functioning penises, who want to call themselves lesbians and want to pressure lesbian women into having penetrative sex with them? Women whose preference is for female genitalia and biological women.

Call me crazy, but I think sex should be something you find wildly pleasurable, not something you just ‘cope’ with.

Haha, I’m just trying to work out what a gold star lesbian who doesn’t define womanhood in a way that’s dependant on biology is. I’m interested to know precisely what criteria you’re measuring your big shiny gold star against?

I’m also laughing heartily at the idea of a gold star lesbian turning up on a thread to berate other lesbians, (who may or may not be gold star but who don’t feel the need to do some weird pulling rank shit) for being nasty and not wanting penis having or former penis having, xy chromosome possessing male wo/men trying to bully us out of our lesbian spaces and into the bedroom.

‘I’m a gold star lesbian’ is an interesting preface to bollocking lesbians for not liking bollocks, I’ll give you that.

when you define womanhood in a way that's dependent on biology

You know it’s kind of hard to define it any other way, when all the discrimination, abuse, disadvantage and assault I have faced during my entire life has been based upon my biology.

I’d like to think it’s based on my hair colour or earring choices ( so I could just change them and make it all go away ) but sadly the facts point otherwise.