Police called to home of Boris and Carrie Symonds

Might be a good time to watch this
www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2013/mar/24/boris-johnson-accused-nasty-video

I don't expect this to make a difference in the leadership contest but what I want to see is him elected with as much of his character revealed as possible. So then when he turns out to be a really shit PM anyone making the excuse of "but how could we possibly have known!" will look like an idiot.

Carrie is in PR, do we really think that she would allow a domestic to be overheard by the neighbours? Sorry but sceptical and cynical if it's possible to be both at the same time.
WHAT?? Shes in PR so would be able to control her boyfriend being a noisy shouty drunk? Shes in PR so able to stop herself feeling fight or flight reflex like any other animal under threat? Shes in PR so it's not possible she would be with an abuser?

Fucks sake. That is one of the most ridiculous victim blaming things I've read on here.

All we can be reasonably certain of is that an argument took place at the address where they live and the recording evidences involvement of a male and female.

If it wasn't Boris and Carrie arguing at the place they live, wouldn't they come out and say who it was?

There's a few threads about this and I'm seeing a number of lines being put out in support of Johnson:

1. Carrie Symonds is colluding in this;
2. it's the fault of the woman who made the recording;
3. the Police were right to lie to The Guardian; and
4. the ever-reliable "it's all lies".

i've just realised that the other choice is Jeremy Fucking 'rhyming slang' Hunt

jesus christ. it feels like the end of days

Also the problem here is not ‘womanising’ but what appeared to be domestic violence.

So how do you stand on Martin Luther King and John Kennedy? Both serial womanisers. Both great leaders

You are asking whether King’s treatment of women negates his legacy, but Johnson has no legacy to destroy.

Calling the problem ‘womanising’ misses the point. In 2019 I am more concerned about who has suffered harm, and the evidence shows that on multiple occasions he has prioritised his own selfish desires over protecting his family from the fall out of his actions.

Even on a purely cynical political level, he doesn’t have the self control to go to Chequers for a meeting and simply concentrate on politics.

and YY to Boris having no actual driving morals or aims, beyond 'Boris for PM'

I agree with a PP though, whoever takes this job on is going to end up looking like an incompetent twerp because the deck is stacked, there's no way to win. it's the only thing that cheers me up about Boris being a shoe in to be the next PM of the United Kingdom (ffs)

I have a vote. And like others members, I'm paying attention.

MockerstheFeManist mentioned Darius Guppy. In case anyone on the thread doesn't know the reference, it's to this telephone conversation:

Whatever the fine detail, Boris is under pressure and under intense scrutiny. He doesn’t appear to be coping well

i think this is an interesting point. do we think Theresa May had screaming matches with Phillip and tossed red wine around number 10 in a temper tantrum?

I think if you can't fight someone on their political life and have to resort to their personal life it's a bit pathetic.

Well lots of people agree with you on that point hence we end up with the likes of Trump and Johnson. I however hate the pair of them and am embarrassed we end up with leaders so devoid of morals.

BobTheDuvet sorry if I didn't make the reasons for my sceptiscism clear. A PP probably explains my point better,

Unless more info comes out, nobody else SAW what was going on and to be able to hear clearly what was said through 'Victorian' house walls that tended to be quite thick, is more than a bit suspicious. Anyone can throw a few plates around, stamp about and shout.

The idea that two media trained people would so totally forget themselves when one of them is in the running to be the next PM and the other played a part in getting them there seems somewhat unlikely. Not impossible but unlikely.

You are correct that the Guardian have not used the word alledged but then they themselves have not asserted it is Boris and Carrie that can be heard on the recording. Those claims are reported as being made by the neighbour. All we can be reasonably certain of is that an argument took place at the address where they live and the recording evidences involvement of a male and female.

To be very very clear I do not think that well educated, professional women are immune to domestic violence but on the evidence that we have it is a stretch to assume that is what is happening.

Exactly

So how do you stand on Martin Luther King and John Kennedy? Both serial womanisers. Both great leaders. (And I'm not saying bj would be a great leader). But I think if you can't fight someone on their political life and have to resort to their personal life it's a bit pathetic.

I loath him but he's not an abuser of women. If a woman is stupid enough to have an affair with someone with bj's track record, that's her lookout.
And if my arguments with my dh were recorded and transcribed they would sound worse.
I get it that he is a terrible choice of leader, but we need to address his political actions not his personal life.